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Pot Luck

by: JayinPhiladelphia

Thu Jan 26, 2012 at 19:00:00 PM PST

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Baked beans... (4.00 / 2)
I have not had them in a can.  I have not made them in Portlan'.

I've never much yearned them, one could say.  Try them, try them and I may?




Okay, the conversation in last week's Pot Luck now has me curious.  I guess I'll give them a shot.  Perhaps this weekend...

I love baked beans (4.00 / 2)
Heck, I love beans just about any way. ;-)

Normal people scare me.... But not as much as I scare them.

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Finally finished the last of them today (4.00 / 2)
A little tiny bowl heated in the microwave.

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So... (4.00 / 1)
...where will everyone be celebrating the New Jersey Football Giants' fourth Super Bowl win next Sunday?

I'll be doing it here at home, looks like.  Gonna make me something special for dinner nonetheless, though.


New York Public Library (4.00 / 2)
Has a huge collection of stereographs from the 1800s and cleverly created a web app to have users convert them into wiggle-3d gifs.

I firsh saw wiggle 3ds when I was looking at photos from Burning Man back in 2004 or so. I figured out how to make my own. THis is my old postal jeep on a Summer day:

That one didn't wiggle! (4.00 / 2)
Must be that damn image shack stripped out the frame. Try again . . .

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Another (4.00 / 2)
Now we ke shick (Noon Day), a Chippewa chief. 1862?-1875?

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Oh look another Pot Luck! (4.00 / 2)
I'm not sure how reliable the source is but I came across USDA forces Whole Foods to accept Monsanto

The truth of what has happened lies with the United States Department of Agriculture (USDA). Whole Foods has been part of an alliance that has been battling monsanto and regulation of GM foods for years. Monsanto is a very large company with deep pockets and a lot a lobbying power. They were able to fight out the issue much longer becaue they can afford it and they know that it is an investment because they are going to have a monopoly on certain seeds for crops in the US.

It sounds believable enough. When I saw Hungary Destroys All Monsanto GMO Corn Fields and replied to the hope that that should "a wake-up call for the U.S." with;

It should be but it won't. How many years have passed since the civilized world tried to set an example for the US by banning atrazine? Monsanto owns our elected class which pretty much means they own us.

That is my reflection of representative government in this nation. What a crying shame that the so called left thinks progress can only be found by knocking Mitt and Newt's brains out.

it is a wake up call..the challenge is (4.00 / 2)
waking up the people that only care when it affects them.I got a call yesterday from from SIL about this. She and her husband spend a small fortune at Whole Foods and have been for years. Just think about all the folks like her buying "natural" at Whole Foods at "organic" prices. Imagine if they and all the folks like them stopped buying there :)

Imagine if Whole Foods had stood up to the USDA (ala la Google and others during the SOPA/PIPA fight) We need organized boycotts of Whole Foods and other companies that rolled over (Stonyfield)And some high profile person (Mark Bittman ????) to write about it. And civil disobedience a la Bill McKibben during the XL pipeline fight.

Its up to us. We the 99% have no representative government :)

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I get a different take from that article (4.00 / 2)
I don't see what good organized boycotts of Whole Foods when they were offered a little input or no input at all. I'm reading that Whole Foods did try stand up to an immovable force and opted for the dregs offered by a wholly owned subsidiary of Monsanto that calls itself "Our government."

As far as civil disobedience, it has to be pointed where few dare to point. Barack Obama ain't Michelle Obama, he's the "show me the money" president and outside of talking the talk he will give Monsanto anything they want.

Dow and Monsanto Team Up on the Mother of All Herbicide Marketing Plans

During the late December media lull, the USDA didn't satisfy itself with green-lighting Monsanto's useless, PR-centric "drought-tolerant" corn. It also prepped the way for approving a product from Monsanto's rival Dow Agrosciences-one that industrial-scale corn farmers will likely find all too useful.


At risk of sounding overly dramatic, the product seems to me to bring mainstream US agriculture to a crossroads. If Dow's new corn makes it past the USDA and into farm fields, it will mark the beginning of at least another decade of ramped-up chemical-intensive farming of a few chosen crops (corn, soy, cotton), beholden to a handful of large agrichemical firms working in cahoots to sell ever larger quantities of poisons, environment be damned. If it and other new herbicide-tolerant crops can somehow be stopped, farming in the US heartland can be pushed toward a model based on biodiversity over monocropping, farmer skill in place of brute chemicals, and healthy food instead of industrial commodities.

Already sounding like a done deal and who can you tell in a hyper-partisan nation? If it doesn't make Obama sound good Democratic supporters don't want to know about it and Republicans, forgetaboutit.      

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quinoa nutrients (4.00 / 2)
If we do some arithmetic based on any U.S. nutrition label, we discover the following implicit recommendation:

calories from fat = 30% of daily calorie value
calories from protein = 10% of daily value
calories from carbs = 60% of daily value

Quinoa matches that nutrition profile exactly, according to arithmetic based on this website.

Other sources (various brands) give slightly different ratios, and of course there are various strains of quinoa.

Sources disagree on how much protein is adequate. I noticed that a recent study in JAMA took 15% of the daily calorie value to be "normal."

useful patents (4.00 / 2)
According to the article, the suit asserts that GMOs are not useful, not that the patents are not useful. Perhaps the difference is small. Your point that plenty of people would dispute the idea that GMOs are not useful certainly is correct.

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Actually (4.00 / 2)
my point was that lots of people would say that GMOs were plenty useful. Ask any farmer if they would rather be dependant on - labor (which may or may not be available when needed) or chemicals (which are available on amoments notice 24/7/365) - and they'll probalby say chemicals.

Normal people scare me.... But not as much as I scare them.

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That's what I said. nt (4.00 / 1)

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Oops (4.00 / 2)
I misread your reply.

Normal people scare me.... But not as much as I scare them.

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that may be true but what about health concerns (4.00 / 2)
about eating genetically modified food?

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I think it depends on what genes (4.00 / 1)
have been added to the food crops. If the genes are from other plants that we already eat, then I'm not so concerned. I've been leary of the BT corn though. When I use BT out here, it's applied to the outside of the plant, the bacteria doesn't survive long on the plants and when I wash them any residue that might be on the surface is removed. I'm not a particular fan of eating the insect toxin in the food though. I know that they say that the toxin doesn't effect mammals, but I have to wonder if a person was eating a lot of, say, ground corn or corn products, how much of that were to make it through the processing and exactly how much that person would be eating.

Kind of like the whole BPA issue. If I were only eating commercially canned food once in a while I wouldn't worry about it. But if, like we used to when Harold was alive, I were eating that almost every day, then I'd be worried. As it is now, I don't eat commercially canned foods very much.

Normal people scare me.... But not as much as I scare them.

[ Parent ]
Saturday in the Madagascar section of the Bronx. (4.00 / 2)
First there was the rather rude method of getting a partner to "Quit yer yapping!"

Then the turn in indignation followed by the Taunt of the Tongue.

Some of these Lemurs don't play nicely with others.  

Reap what you sew? (4.00 / 2)
"The energy used to make food is vastly greater than the amount of energy we get out of it."

Guess that depends on your farming style?

Music from the land and the people who work it.

I think it depends on what kind of energy you're talking about too nt (4.00 / 1)

Normal people scare me.... But not as much as I scare them.

[ Parent ]
Baked beans... (4.00 / 1)
I did not try this last weekend.  I will probably not have time to try them this weekend.  Next week looks good, though!

The simple fact of my having to put it off for so long makes me all the more determined, in fact...

Alabama White Sauce... (4.00 / 1)
Oh, that reminds me.  The last time I had baked beans was at the barbecue cart downtown a few months ago.  Or probably more like six months ago, which is half a year, when I think about it.

But anyway.

Alabama white sauce rocks.  I not only put it on my pulled pork sandwich that time, but I also mixed that shit into my baked beans side as well.  I will certainly not add Alabama white sauce to my homemade baked beans the first time I try them, but this also reminds me that I need to make that stuff soon, too.

Sandwich spread, accompaniment to roast vegetables, drizzled on top of chicken & rice... it's all good!

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I make a white sauce that has some of the same ingredients (4.00 / 1)
I use mayo for the base and then add backsweetened brown cider vinegar. I back sweeten the vinegar with dark brown sugar that I make. If I didn't have any brown sugar I'd just use molasses and white sugar. I'll have to add the other ingredients like pepper and lemon juice when I make another batch tonight.

I'm putting on a pot of beans and I'll be cleaning out one of tunnels today, so I'll be cutting a lot of mustard and radish greens. Home made bread, beans and greens for dinner, with a liberal dousing of white sauce.

I use my white sauce on rice, vegetables, I dip pizza in it and it's great with the beans. I make a sweet bean stew (lots and lots of caremelized onions) and it adds a nice tart counter point to the beans.

Normal people scare me.... But not as much as I scare them.

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I've been experimenting... (0.00 / 0)
...with yogurt sauces a lot lately, too.  Still trying to find the best recipe, but for now I'm using different combinations of Greek yogurt, juice from a lemon, olive oil, parsley, paprika, cumin, salt, pepper and of course garlic, garlic and more garlic.  I like the Northern White variety one of the vendors at the People's Coop farmers' market is selling for 0.50 a head these days.  I understand it's a good 'baking' garlic (?) as well, so maybe they're ideal to use in the baked beans too?

Oh!  Want to make some tahini, too.

Going to pick up a load of dried chickpeas next time I go to the store.  Pounds and pounds and pounds of them.  Time to play around with falafel (pan fried patty-style; I don't have a deep fryer and I can't purchase one because if I did I'd be dead in a week, heh) and quick flatbreads.

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Those sound good! (4.00 / 1)
I love tahini. I love anything with sesame. Maybe one of these days I'll get around to planting the black sesame seed I bought a couple years ago. And that rice seed, and the Chuffa, and, and, and,...

Normal people scare me.... But not as much as I scare them.

[ Parent ]
I've made Tahini (4.00 / 1)
but finally settles on the Kronos brand tahini And its in a JAR.

I buy chick peas from the food coop and regular supermarket
Goya. I think the Goya's are fresher.

I haven't posted recipes in a few weeks cause I didn't think anyone was reading them :) I purchased Bob Redmill Garbanzo and Fava flour and made Socca. I liked it but it doesn't taste all that different from Chick pea flour which is cheaper.

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I was reading them! :) (0.00 / 0)
The problem with tahini in jars / bottles is it's so expensive.  At least around here and in my stores.  Yikes.

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You can make your own (4.00 / 1)
either with a food processor or a mortar and pestle. This recipe says that you should use olive oil but not extra virgin because it's too strongly flavored.

Bob's Redmill has natural brown sesame seeds for $4.69/lb.

Normal people scare me.... But not as much as I scare them.

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Yes... (0.00 / 0)
That's why I said above that I'm going to try soon.


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Oops (4.00 / 1)
Forgot about that. Been a long day...

Normal people scare me.... But not as much as I scare them.

[ Parent ]
No problem! (0.00 / 0)
I remember long days.  I wish I had more of them at the moment...


[ Parent ]
around here in the Tahini was about 6.00 a can (4.00 / 1)
and the Kronos about the same. Don't know if weight was equal.

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Oh man! (4.00 / 1)
I made some of this Alabama White BBQ Sauce and had it over vegies. Too flippin' good for words. It's the lemon juice that really does it! I'll bet that would be a good dressing for shredded cabbage and the smothered cucumber and onion salad I used to do as well.

Normal people scare me.... But not as much as I scare them.

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I have to try (4.00 / 1)
You know natural foodies diss Mayo, but I seem to always use it when I am cooking and something needs a little something.

Like the other night I made dressing with Tahini (Kronos) I added a little lemon juice and it was flat. So I added a dollop of mayo shook it in a jar and it was delish.

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Yup (4.00 / 1)
mayo is one of the staples in my fridge.

Normal people scare me.... But not as much as I scare them.

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I'm going to attempt a radical experiment in farming... (4.00 / 1)
I'm going to plant tomatoes in February.

We're having a spate of false spring right now. It looks like this may run for a couple of weeks, which is the size window I need.

I've got all of these tunnels and when the sun's shining it's up in the 70s in there. That means the soil warms a LOT, and with the film on and buttoned up tight, it keeps everything down at ground level pretty warm even when the outside temps are down close to freezing at night.

So I'm going to start some of the cool tolerant early tomatoes this week, I'll be seeding the pots tomorrow. As soon as the seedlings are up, I'm going to plant them, pot and all, down the center of the tunnels. I've got enough film to have 8 tunnels covered. That'll give me almost 50 plants. If things work out, I may be picking my first tomatoes sometime in June. If it doesn't work, I won't be out too much seed. I've got a lot of seed left over from last year.

I'm using 2" band pots, so the little roots should go right down and out through the bottom of the pot and the pot's plenty big to accomodate the stem of a mature tomato plant.

Normal people scare me.... But not as much as I scare them.

Yeah... (0.00 / 0)
...we're having like San Diego weather for the next couple weeks, eh?  I am not complaining!

Be sure to keep us updated.

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Yup (4.00 / 1)
I went over to Wunderground and checked the records for last February. Warm false spring, then got doused with rain for most of March which is what will probably happen this year too.

I remember last Feb when we had the false spring, the ground dried out enough that I was able to till the east barn garden and get the new tunnels up in there. Got them built, planted and covered. Then I spend all of March and April slogging through 6" of mud in the foot paths. I should have just tilled the planting beds for the tunnels instead of the whole garden.

Now I just dig around in the planting beds and I leave the footpaths alone...

Normal people scare me.... But not as much as I scare them.

[ Parent ]
Sounds interesting. Let me know (4.00 / 1)
how it goes, okay? Early tomatoes would be nice.

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It'll be an interesting experiment (4.00 / 1)
I know it's possible because I hear about early tomatoes at the farmers markets around Portland, so someone's doing it. They've got to be greenhouse grown, and that's what the tunnels are. By the time they get big enough that I'll have to pull the plastic it'll be time to do that anyway. I usually pull all the plastic and put in in storage in May.

One other thing this will let me do is to take cuttings from the plants. That way I can get a couple month jump on sale plants and I can transplant rooted cuttings out here too.

And, like I say, I've got plenty of seed, so if they don't make it, I won't be short and I won't be behind shcedule because I usually don't start tomato seed until the first week of March anyway.

Normal people scare me.... But not as much as I scare them.

[ Parent ]
You should join Tomato Mania list serv on Yahoo (4.00 / 1)
I think there are some small growers on there but we all share one passion

Tomato's. And there's a seed bank too :)

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Friday, Friday, rabbit pie day (4.00 / 1)
Too funny!

'My good friends at Monsanto' (4.00 / 1)

JayinPhilly! (4.00 / 1)
I'm excited.  I'm about 45 days, or maybe even less, from living in my favorite American city,  Can't wait!

Jay in Kensington, soon, probably... :)

Wait. Are you leaving Portland? Moving away (4.00 / 1)
from the Rose City? If so, why?

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Yes, I am... (0.00 / 0)
Moving to Philadelphia, where I've always belonged, I guess.

I didn't want to leave, but I had no choice.  There's just no work here.  I'll be back in 11,000 days or so, maybe.  Oregon would be a wonderful place to retire.


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Do you have a job in Philly? (4.00 / 1)
It is just about impossible to find work here, and that is very sad to me. I'm sorry you are leaving, but I understand the need for survival and self-preservation.

When do you leave?

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Yeah... (0.00 / 0)
I've got a few small things to start out, and I'll rebuild my life from there.  Things just never worked out here, unfortunately.  I'm sorry I'm leaving, too.  But the good thing is I'll be in the only city I love more than Portland. :)

Leaving as soon as things are finalized, no later than the end of March.  Oh, we should maybe do that Indian cart before I leave.  I'm gonna miss food carts!  Oh fuck, and I'm gonna miss Oregon's politics.  Tom Corbett and Pat fucking Toomey, yuck.  I know what my priority is there, elections-wise in the near future...

I can't bring Jeff Merkley with me, I suppose?  ;)

[ Parent ]
Wow, that sucks that you have to move across country (4.00 / 1)
but at least you're going to a town you like.

Normal people scare me.... But not as much as I scare them.

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Yeah... (0.00 / 0)
Nice new sigline, btw.  :)

Keep up the good work here!  La Vida Locavore has always been Portland-heavy amongst us regulars, so maybe it'll be a good thing to have a Philly perspective, too.  Oh shit, but wait.  With Lee and I there, now we're almost as Philly-heavy as we were Portland-heavy!

Someone needs to move to Dallas, stat!


[ Parent ]
Thanks (4.00 / 1)
a friend of mine posted that on Facebook and it just fits me so well.

Normal people scare me.... But not as much as I scare them.

[ Parent ]
Cheese steak Jay? (4.00 / 1)
Good luck.

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Ha... (0.00 / 0)
I actually prefer the city's other sandwich though, the one the locals dig - roast pork with broccoli raab and sharp provolone!

Oooh, I have to hit the Italian Market soon.  And all the other Philly goodness.  Eggplant parm!  Soft pretzels!  Reading Terminal Market!  Quick train ride to the Jersey Shore, without having to actually live in that state again!  ;-P

Thanks for the luck, hopefully this time my Fresh Start(tm) will work out.  Many people don't even get one of those; I've gotten two over the past six years now, so I guess I can't complain...

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Philly! (0.00 / 0)

Home of the most beautiful City Hall in America, and in fact one of our nation's finest buildings period! :)

My soon-to-be neighborhood...

Can't wait!

That's the spirit Jay! (4.00 / 1)
Remember the past, but always welcome the future with open arms!

Normal people scare me.... But not as much as I scare them.

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There's a new piece of equipment I'm going to buld for the farm this week - (4.00 / 1)
A Quern.

I already have the granite. I've been keeping pieces of slab granite for years. Time to make them pay their way. I'm going to cut the pieces into bricks and cast them into a plaster base. I already have a handle I can cast into the top stone, parts I can use as the spindle and sleeve for the base and top stones, and I'm going to use washers as shims so I can set the gap on the stones from 0 for flour grinding to 1/16" for brewer's grains.

With this piece of equipment, I'll be able to switch to buying whole grains and grind them myself for the poultry feed (I can get 80# of wheat for a bit over $14, whereas milled feed costs me $15-$16 for 50#). I'll be able to grind my own wheat, barley, corn and oats for feed, brewind and baking. That means I can also go ahead and grow a lot of my own grains.

All of that goodness and self sufficiency from some scrap stone, odds and ends found around the house and $20 worth of casting plaster....

Normal people scare me.... But not as much as I scare them.

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