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Open thread on favorite food substitutions

by: desmoinesdem

Fri Jan 23, 2009 at 20:00:00 PM PST


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A lot of people resolve to make changes in their diets in January. This is an open thread for any tips you have on substituting one kind of food for another for any health or ethical reason.

If you're a vegetarian or vegan, do you have a tip for adapting a recipe you used to enjoy with meat, eggs or dairy?

If you're trying to lose weight, have you changed the way you cook any of your favorite meals? Some people would rather eat a completely different dish than adapt a beloved recipe that is "too fattening."

If you have developed a food allergy or sensitivity, have you learned any trick for replacing the foods you can't tolerate?

My favorite food substitutions are after the jump.

desmoinesdem :: Open thread on favorite food substitutions
Here are some food substitutions that work for me:

1. I've been using strained tomatoes or tomato paste packaged in glass jars in place of canned tomatoes ever since I learned that almost all canned tomatoes, including organic brands, contain bisphenol-A (BPA).

2. I've been having oatmeal for breakfast, or yogurt with cereal, instead of bagels. That's partly because I'm trying to eat less bread, and partly because I'd rather forgo bagels than eat a bagel that isn't slathered with either butter or cream cheese.

3. To make risotto with no milk or cream, I use a tip from the Moosewood Collective's Low-Fat Favorites cookbook. In a food processor or blender, combine a cup or two of frozen corn kernels with whatever kind of stock you will use to cook the risotto. This creates a creamy consistency, but without being as heavy as risotto with cream. It's good for vegans or anyone cutting back on calories.

4. Applesauce or other fruit purees can replace some of the fat in cake or quickbread recipes. Diana Shaw's Essential Vegetarian Cookbook has lots of ideas on this front. Moosewood's Low-Fat Favorites has a good spice bread recipe containing prune puree and no egg, which is good to bake for vegans or anyone with an egg allergy.

Final suggestion, which I've never tried but a friend swears by:

Dump an undrained can of black beans into a blender or food processor and puree. Add the mixture to any boxed brownie mix (she says this works with any brand). Don't add egg or oil or water--just mix the dry ingredients in the box with the black bean puree, then bake. This sounds crazy, but I have eaten her brownies at potlucks, and you would never know there are beans in them. She does it to sneak extra protein and fiber into a treat for her kids.

I'll look forward to reading your comments.

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Great thread, desmoinesdem! (4.00 / 4)
I only rarely use recipes, mostly cook by eye and ear.  When I do use a recipe though, mushrooms or beans usually stand in fine for meat when converting to vegetarian.  Obviously tofu, tempeh or seitan would work as well; but I don't really go near the 'fake meats' much myself...

As for point 2 - oh yeah, I used to have a bagel every morning back in Jersey.  I think I went like 6 straight years once on a bagel and coffee every. single. morning.  

By my old work back In Jersey, we had this awesome bagel baker just off downtown Metuchen...when I was still eating meat I'd do a whole wheat or cinn. raisin bagel with bacon, egg and cheese (salt, pepper, ketchup - heh, the traditional Jersey breakfast) every Monday and every Friday; and I'd do a salt bagel with cream cheese every other day of the week.  Always with a large coffee, bit of cream.  Probably wasn't the healthiest (heh), but damn they were good!  Probably the only thing Portland is missing in terms of food are really great bagels...

But anyways, I stopped eating bagels in favor of oatmeal a couple years before I left Jersey; and these days I only eat maybe one or two bagels for breakfast a month.  Don't eat much bread at all these days...

Breakfast tomorrow will be Bob's Red Mill grits, and Sunday I'll probably go back to my trusty steel cut oats with a chopped apple tossed in.  Can't wait 'til summer, when I can do berries in my oatmeal again!

"The essence of the independent mind lies not in what it thinks, but in how it thinks." - Christopher Hitchens


Maybe clarify a bit on the first point... (4.00 / 4)
The only time I ever substituted beans to convert a meal to vegetarian was the time I did a quiche from scratch, and substituted black-eyed peas for shrimp, I think it was.

Came out great, and I have to try that again soon!  Can't remember exactly what else was in it, but I can wing it.

Mushrooms of course always work in place of anything, as they are the perfect food along with potatoes...

:)

"The essence of the independent mind lies not in what it thinks, but in how it thinks." - Christopher Hitchens


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beans are great instead of meat (4.00 / 3)
in anything Mexican... tacos, burritos, enchiladas, etc. I eat mucho Mexican food since I'm so close to the border. Gimme some beans in a tortilla smothered in enchilada sauce and I'm a happy camper.

"I can understand someone from Iowa promoting corn and soy, but we are not feeding the world, we are feeding animals and soft drink companies." - Jim Goodman

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Okay. :) (4.00 / 3)
Gimme some beans in a tortilla smothered in enchilada sauce and I'm a happy camper.

(working in the kitchen, whistling...)

(still working, still whistling...)

Ah, okay it's ready!

(running towards San Diego...)

(out of breath in Redding...)

(catches breath, keeps running...)

(makes it there at 12:24 AM...)

Here ya go, hope you like!

:)

"The essence of the independent mind lies not in what it thinks, but in how it thinks." - Christopher Hitchens


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I avoid the "fake meats" (4.00 / 3)
I used to buy those occasionally, but stopped after reading more about the processing involved in making those fake meats.

I do cook with tofu often. I don't care for tempeh, but I think that is fine because it is a traditional way of eating soy.

Mushrooms are one of very few foods that my extremely non-picky husband just doesn't like. So I don't cook with them, even though I enjoy eating them.

I have seen Bob's Red Mill grits in the store but never tried them. I will have to check that out.

Are you opposed to frozen berries? We eat those all the time in the off-season. There are some brands that come from the northwest, so it would be almost local for you. For us it's far from local, but frozen berries are one of those indulgences we can't (yet) live without.


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I'm a big frozen berry fan (4.00 / 2)
and no fake meat for me either. If I really wanted meat, I'd eat meat.  

"I can understand someone from Iowa promoting corn and soy, but we are not feeding the world, we are feeding animals and soft drink companies." - Jim Goodman

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Frozen berries... (4.00 / 2)
I'm actually gonna try loading up on berries at the end of the season this year and freezing some myself; but yeah, I don't buy frozen berries.  Just not something I use, not for any particular reason though.

Oh, and no.  Definitely not opposed to them, that's a preservation method we're definitely going to see more of in the future.  We're going to have to...

Oh, and Bob's Red Mill: they're based around here, they're in Milwaukie, OR which is the town that shares Portland's southeastern border.  The Bob's Red Mill Whole Grain Store and Visitor Center down there has one of the best breakfasts in the Portland area, and the store itself is definitely something to check out if you're ever in the area -

The retail store offers more than 300 Bob's Red Mill® products, kitchen essentials and a wide variety of all-natural items from regional manufacturers like Columbia Gorge Organics, Oregon Spice, and Willamette Valley Fruit Growers. In addition, there is a bookstore and state-of-the-art kitchen classroom for cooking classes taught by regionally and internationally renowned instructors. The Whole Grain Store & Visitors Center also features a from-scratch bakery and breakfast and lunch café using Bob's Red Mill's own products. Visitors to this first-class facility will discover the widest diversity of whole grains, flours, cereals, mixes and baking supplies available in the world. Shoppers can ship purchases on premises anywhere in the country.


"The essence of the independent mind lies not in what it thinks, but in how it thinks." - Christopher Hitchens

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Oh yes! (4.00 / 4)
Butter... usually substitute with extra virgin olive oil

Oil in baked goods... substitute with applesauce

Creamy soups: Thicken it with veggies that you cook with the broth and then blend - potato, onion, garlic, celeriac, celery, carrots, whatever. Add soy milk if desired.

Mashed potatoes: I use soy milk.

Milk in coffee: I don't care what anyone says, there IS NO substitute. Not soy milk, hemp milk, almond milk, rice milk, I've tried them all and cows milk has no substitute in coffee.

Another thing you can't substitute is yogurt. Soy yogurt is gross. Coconut milk yogurt is a bit better... at least it tastes coconutty.

Ice cream can go non-dairy by buying coconut milk ice cream. I recommend either Luna & Larry's Coconut Bliss or Tomberlies (which may be local to San Diego only).

Pizza without cheese: Pizza without cheese. I'd rather do that than eat soy cheese. It actually tastes GREAT.

"I can understand someone from Iowa promoting corn and soy, but we are not feeding the world, we are feeding animals and soft drink companies." - Jim Goodman


Also... (4.00 / 4)
I find it ironic to think that we're saving the planet by eating coconut milk ice cream instead of normal ice cream. Sure, no cows are involved but Thai coconuts? Come on! How much oil did it take to schlep that coconut to America to make your ice cream?

I don't know officially which has less of a carbon footprint, the coconut or the dairy, but neither is perfect.

"I can understand someone from Iowa promoting corn and soy, but we are not feeding the world, we are feeding animals and soft drink companies." - Jim Goodman


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pizza without cheese isn't bad (4.00 / 3)
I have made that at home.

I'm with you--soy cheese and other substitutes are just gross. Ditto for yogurt. I eat goat yogurt instead of cow's milk yogurt. I like it better anyway.

I do eat cheese, but I try to keep it very limited. I would rather have something without any cheese than eat fake cheese.

The Moosewood Low-Fat Favorites cookbook has a great recipe for sweet potato and black bean burritoes. They are vegan and taste great (I adjust the ratio to use more sweet potato and less black beans, but that's just my preference).


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a few more ideas (4.00 / 4)
avocado in chocolate mousse... no joke! Also seen it in rich vegan chocolate cakes I think.

arrowroot powder - it's a thickener that can replace egg in pumpkin pie. I tried EVERYTHING to replace egg in pumpkin pie. I replaced the dairy with soy milk, no problem. Instead of processed sugar I used maple syrup. But the 2 eggs in the recipe were IMPOSSIBLE to deal with, and egg free pumpkin pie is just runny. I tried bananas, tofu, all kinds of things. I think in the end I settled on a little bit of tofu plus the arrowroot powder to do the trick but I can't quite remember. I think there's a recipe in the cookbook World Vegan Fusion Cuisine so I'd recommend checking that out if you're interested.

"I can understand someone from Iowa promoting corn and soy, but we are not feeding the world, we are feeding animals and soft drink companies." - Jim Goodman


I tried a chocolate pudding recipe (4.00 / 3)
with avocadoes a couple of times, and it was great. Unfortunately, my kids did not go for it, so I stopped making it (I do not need to be eating entire batches of chocolate pudding).

I have seen arrowroot in lots of vegetarian recipes. I agree with you, though, pumpkin pie without egg would be very challenging.


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applesauce (4.00 / 3)
Applesauce or other fruit purees can replace some of the fat in cake or quickbread recipes.

My mom used to do this a lot and I was always really impressed at how well it worked out.  


Neil, great to see you here! (4.00 / 3)
Hope all is well with you.

Off-topic but possibly of interest to you: I wrote a big piece last week on whether Clinton or Edwards could have beaten Obama in Iowa:

http://www.bleedingheartland.c...


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WRT to bagels (4.00 / 3)
Jam or PB & J instead of cream cheese is great.  Especially homemade black and raspberry jam...

Vote for yourself at www.ni4d.us!

also hummus (4.00 / 2)
I've definitely seen a friend who is vegan put hummus on a bagel instead of cream cheese.

"I can understand someone from Iowa promoting corn and soy, but we are not feeding the world, we are feeding animals and soft drink companies." - Jim Goodman

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Yes! (4.00 / 2)
Had hummus on a bagel myself at a coffee shop here a few months ago.

Love hummus!  I've got some dried garbanzo beans in the kitchen right now, I'm probably gonna try homemade hummus for the first time this week.  Might be tough though, I don't have a food processor so it'll be by hand.  Might have to also pick up some sourdough tomorrow to have something to eat it with.  

Unless I can just use the hummus as a dip for roasted potatoes, or as a topping on latkes?  Hmmm...

"The essence of the independent mind lies not in what it thinks, but in how it thinks." - Christopher Hitchens


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I love hummus (4.00 / 3)
but on soft bread or on crispy crackers. For whatever reason, a bagel has to have either butter or cream cheese for me.

When I've made my own hummus I didn't like it as much as my favorite kind that I buy. I stir extra olive oil into that and I'm in heaven.


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I've seen... (4.00 / 2)
a couple of variations on hummus lately using different beans.  Kidney bean hummus and black bean hummus, haven't tried any yet though...

Have you?

"The essence of the independent mind lies not in what it thinks, but in how it thinks." - Christopher Hitchens


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no, only with chick peas (4.00 / 3)
I have tried it with varying amounts of tahini, though.

[ Parent ]
I've had black bean hummus (4.00 / 2)
and enjoyed it.

"I can understand someone from Iowa promoting corn and soy, but we are not feeding the world, we are feeding animals and soft drink companies." - Jim Goodman

[ Parent ]
Thanks! (4.00 / 2)
I will now be sure to try it...

:)

"The essence of the independent mind lies not in what it thinks, but in how it thinks." - Christopher Hitchens


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Blonde Brownies ... (4.00 / 3)
I found in the last 24 hours that Blonde Brownies make an excellent diet for a day! :-)  Yummm!

Since this is kind of an open thread (4.00 / 3)
and I have nowhere else to post this, could I suggest a few sites for the blogroll here?

http://www.treehugger.com for the blogs

Mother Earth News and Organic Gardening for the magazines (don't know their websites)

Vote for yourself at www.ni4d.us!


good calls on all of 'em (4.00 / 3)
Sure - I can do that, no prob.

"I can understand someone from Iowa promoting corn and soy, but we are not feeding the world, we are feeding animals and soft drink companies." - Jim Goodman

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Creamy risotto without cream or milk -- use the right kind of rice (4.00 / 3)
I never use cream or milk in my risotto and it comes out 'creamy' and rich.  The secrets are to use the right kind of rice (Italian arborio, available at Italian groceries, Whole Foods, gourmet stores and Trader Joe's) and a flavorful stock. The rice has the right amount of starch and other elements (and perhaps even some enzymes that effect the cooking process?) to help create the thickness that risotto is famous for.  To be sure, I add grated cheese at the end, but by that time the risotto is already plenty rich.  I've had good luck with the recipes in "Fields of Greens," by Annie Somerville (of the Greens restaurant in S.F.).  

I always use arborio rice (4.00 / 3)
and you're right, it has a creamy consistency, but it seems a bit creamier if I've blended some frozen corn with the veggie stock before cooking.

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Freeze-Squeeze-Cuis(inart) Tofu (4.00 / 4)
This was called for in one of the Moosewood cookbook recipes, but I have used it in several others. If you freeze tofu overnight, and thaw it, the texture is completely changed. After thawing, you squeeze out the excess liquid and then crumble the tofu by hand or throw it into a food processor to get bits the size of a course steel-cut oats or couscous. The crumbly tofu can then be used anywhere you would use ground meat in a sauce, like spaghetti sauce, or where it is baked with something to bind it, like a quiche. It also absorbs the flavors of the seasonings better than unfrozen tofu does. It can be easily substituted for commercial meat substitute products like those made my Morningstar Farms, etc, and is much less expensive. It has a light creamy color, so if appearances matter, use it with tomato sauce or add some soy sauce to darken it.

I've done that (4.00 / 3)
I sometimes make that Moosewood recipe for stuffed peppers with tofu, except I leave out the peppers and just eat the stuffing with tomato sauce!

You are right, the thawed frozen tofu has a different consistency and is less watery when crumbled. However, I've crumbled regular tofu into tomato sauces lots of time when I hadn't planned ahead to freeze it and thaw it, and it's still ok. Maybe the sauce is a little more watery, but you can just eat it a little thinner or cook it down more.


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I'll give you my personal opinion on the black bean brownies in about an hour (4.00 / 4)
they're in the oven right now, and I banished the fam from the kitchen as I was making them. Just said I was trying something new, and I wanted it to be a surprise....

Can't wait to hear about it! (4.00 / 3)
:)

"The essence of the independent mind lies not in what it thinks, but in how it thinks." - Christopher Hitchens

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my guess is it should be good (4.00 / 4)
given how much Asians depend on red beans (which I think might be adzuki beans) in their desserts. Beans + sugar = tasty, IMHO.

"I can understand someone from Iowa promoting corn and soy, but we are not feeding the world, we are feeding animals and soft drink companies." - Jim Goodman

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I love those Korean red bean sweet dumplings (4.00 / 4)
Those probably have more sugar than a person should eat in a week, but they are so tasty. I think they are adzuki beans, but I'm not sure.

"Fortunately," Iowa doesn't have any decent Korean restaurants, so I very rarely have the opportunity to eat them...


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okay, here we go... (4.00 / 4)
You totally cannot tell. Not even a little bit.

so - smashing success! Greg (the hubbs) agrees! Alyssa hasn't tried yet, and she won't learn the secret ingredient... Greg was blown away!


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it is amazing (4.00 / 4)
Like I said, I tried one of these at a potluck a year or two ago and could not believe there was a can of black beans in there.

Did you have to lengthen or shorten the baking time?


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well.... (4.00 / 3)
I use the times on the box as a guideline, and always put the mix in the oven before it's done preheating. I did have to add 10 minutes to the 45 suggested for the type pan I was using, but I don't necessarily attribute that to the presence of the beans - it could have been the coldish oven.

And y'all should have seen my daughter's face when I showed her what the secret ingredient was. Priceless!

I'm still giggling over that.  


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