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Food Access Issues Not Only Limited To Income

by: JayinPhiladelphia

Sat Jul 12, 2008 at 02:11:44 AM PDT


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(Excellent diary and an opportunity to discuss food & income. - promoted by Asinus Asinum Fricat)

A long, rambling thing that started out as a reply on another thread, but it got long enough as to where I felt it instead deserved to be fleshed out more and turned into a diary of its own.  There's a point to be made about food access (in the most literal sense) beyond that which involves people on food assistance...or for that matter, even involving personal income levels at all.  It has to do with the way neighborhoods are laid out, the businesses they attract, and even a large amount of simple 'dumb luck'.  Below the fold, a look at the stark contrast in my very own personal situation regarding access to good food over the past few months here in the city of Portland, Oregon...
JayinPhiladelphia :: Food Access Issues Not Only Limited To Income
A few key basic things to start with - I make a bit more now in my new job than I did in my old one earlier this year, although the difference is really negligible as I'm clearly in the same category of whatever economic class I'd be assigned to.  I have enough to live, and enough to eat well.  I have more than I otherwise would because I choose to live without a car, and fortunately my city has an excellent public transportation system that makes that possible.  I even have enough for a few 'luxuries' here and there.  Money comes and money goes, as it has my whole life.  I don't have much, but I'm certainly not close to being destitute either.  That being said...

My old borderline food desert

As recently as March of this year, I lived in a run-down neighborhood in outer Northeast Portland.  Well within the city limits, but one that was 'developed' haphazardly and much more recently than the rest of the city.  And hence, has been subject to the sprawl mentality inherent in much of the American landscape post World War II.  The neighborhood still mostly kept to the grid system of the rest of the city, but the key was that it skipped more than a few streets here and there, and 'developers' looking for a foothold here in our city took advantage of the larger lots in that area and built an environment not to human scale - one not conducive to walkability or easy public access to commerce via transit, as is the case throughout most of the rest of the City of Portland.  The only food choices in my old neighborhood were fast food restaurants (the typical West Coast strip of Carl Jr's, McDonald's, a couple of cheap taco stands sourcing their food from who-knows-where, an Applebee's, and etc...) and one corporate supermarket chain offering the usual 'variety' of mostly cheap processed crap.

I didn't personally partake in any of that crap; I ate the same (real food) then as I do now.  But the difference is that when I was living back there in that neighborhood - food shopping was a major experience (and huge headache...) that required great planning, and sometimes half a day's worth of my time.  I'd leave my apartment building and cross a 6-lane thoroughfare with no apparent enforced speed limit on foot, walk through a huge and hideous trash-strewn shopping center parking lot to the MAX Light Rail station hidden behind the aforementioned corporate grocery store, wait for a train that was always late in that area, ride it a mile or so out to NE 82nd (which is for all intents and purposes, the border of the 'real' Portland...), wait for the 72 Killingsworth bus which was also always late and apparently ran on a schedule completely independent of the 'official' TriMet schedule which we were provided, and then ride that out to my ultimate destination of either New Seasons Market at NE 33rd, or the Alberta Grocery Co-op a bit further down from there.  Reading over that last sentence, I realize that as tough as it is to read - it doesn't even come close to making clear how annoying those trips were to have to make just to simply eat well (I didn't even get into the ride back home on a standing-room only bus in the reverse direction with 2 bags of groceries and a loaded backpack...), and also not to mention that there are millions and millions of people all over America who face infinitely more annoying (or simply impossible...) circumstances to access healthy food for themselves and their families.

Is it any wonder that most people in neighborhoods like this subsist on basically the only accessible diets in these places?  That of Burger King, Cheese Doodles and Pepsi, etc...?

My new food paradise

Now to contrast that with my current situation here in my new apartment in an inner SE Portland neighborhood...

As I've mentioned above, my current income is roughly the same, my expenses are roughly the same, and rent on my new apartment is exactly the same as my old one.  The difference here?

I'm now in the older urban core - a walkable mixed-use community designed and built on a human scale, teeming with locally-owned independent businesses and served infinitely better by public transit.  Foot friendly, bike friendly - the street I now live along is one of Portland's bicycle boulevards, for that matter...

If I feel like it later this morning, I can roll out of bed and walk 100 feet from my front door to a local independent coffee shop and have a cup of locally-roasted fair / direct-trade Stumptown Coffee.  Later on in the evening after I get back from work, I can stop by that same place and have a slice of their homemade artisan pizza.  Or I can head two doors down from there and have a pint of a local microbrew and some really good locally-sourced 'pub grub' at the neighborhood bar, instead.  On Sunday morning as usual, I'll walk 20 feet from my front door to my bus stop and catch a frequent service busline for the 18 minute direct ride out to a Sunday farmers market.  On Monday, my other day off, I can walk 12 blocks to my current co-op, or another few blocks beyond there to another locally-owned grocery store that focuses on local and organic products.  Or a few blocks in the other direction, and have lunch at Papa G's Organic Vegan Deli, or dozens of other restaurants serving real food, for just a tiny little bit more than one would spend back in my old neighborhood for a 'filling' (but of course disastrous in health terms) meal at McDonald's, which were the only 'walkable' types of places back there.

So what to do?

So who's to blame here, and what's the key indicator to a 'healthy' neighborhood?  It certainly isn't the old fall-back of 'home ownership' in this case, as the percentage of residents who rent here in my new neighborhood is roughly twice that of my old one.  Income levels are almost exactly the same here as well (just slightly higher on average in my old neighborhood, even...), and of course the same municipal laws and regulations apply here as they did back there in my old neighborhood.  So why is my current place so much better to live in than my old area here in the same city?

I'm still looking for answers here myself, as are many others - but from what I know so far the answer certainly isn't confined to simple and easily defined matters such as income levels or those living on food assistance.  It's got to do with the literal physical design and layout of the places that we live.  I'm not one for simple catch slogans, but it seems pretty obvious to me from my own experiences that neighborhoods designed for cars will attract drive-in fast 'food' establishments, and walkable communities will offer food choices on a more healthy and sustainable human scale.

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Thanks for obliging my verbosity... (4.00 / 7)
Does anybody have any stories to share of their own experiences along these lines?

As always, general rants and comments on any topic are also warmly welcomed by me as well...


Thanks... (4.00 / 1)
I'm off to work in a bit, too.  

Will be around later myself...


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Very good points and if you aren't familiar (4.00 / 5)
with Jerry Kaufman from Growing Power (Milwaukee, IL) I think you'd be interested in in his work. He was a city planner before he got into food and he recognizes that planners tend to look at just about every detail in a city - except food. I think he's working to change that.

In my experience you can even HAVE a lot of money and still eat crap. My office is full of people getting paid over six figures on the upper end and I don't know what those on the lower end make (but I do know that I ain't makin' six figures!) but the office is in an area full of shit food and that's what a lot of people eat. I see people eating McDonald's ALL THE TIME. It really shocks me because I didn't think that real people even ate there. When you're busy at work and you need a snack - you look for what's close. In our case, junk is close. So they eat it.


This is a major issue for me, too (4.00 / 4)
The downtown office core, where well-paid government workers like me, and bankers and lawyers and what have you all have to find lunch (and often breakfast and dinner), offers few choices for real food.

I've become a bento-box-carrying Japanophile for my lunches, but the lifestyle changes required to make this food-toting leap have been nothing short of revolutionary.

It's possible. It's available. But it's not an easy change to make.

People need to re-learn how to carry their own food. Hey! I should give classes.

"Eat food. Not too much. Mostly plants." --Michael Pollan, In Defense of Food


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Great to hear that... (4.00 / 3)
I really try to bring my own lunches to work as often as possible, too - but I have to admit that I fail there at least once or twice a week on average.  Most of the time, the reason for that is just simply not feeling like cooking anything the night before...

You're correct about Downtown Portland's very few decent food choices, which is really sort of surprising considering that our city is sort of a world renowned 'food mecca'.  Of course, as you and I both know though, that reputation is correct - but those restaurants and cafes are found in the inner SE and NE neighborhoods, with a few in NW too.

There are a few great places to eat Downtown, though - more often than not, I pick up my work lunches at a few places Downtown on the days that I don't bring my own lunch.

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A couple suggestions if you ever find yourself at work without lunch!

:)

There's my absolute favorite food place right near the edge of Downtown at SW Alder & 10th, the Whole Bowl food cart, which serves only one thing but it's just insanely good.  Brown rice, red and black beans, fresh avocado, salsa, black olives, sour cream, Tillamook cheddar, cilantro, and a lemon-garlic sauce called "Tali".  The stuff is addictive!

And then there's my other favorite, Veganopolis - excellent hot buffet, and incredible sandwiches.  Picked up lunch there on the way into work this past Thursday, and their veggie 'cream cheese' sandwich was amazing.  Still trying to figure out how they did their 'cream cheese' - it was near perfect, but obviously had no dairy products in it since they're all vegan.

And I'm not sure how you feel about the food carts (I love them, at least the ones I totally trust.  Wouldn't go near a handful of particular ones, though...); but at the food cart block on SW Stark & 5th I've also eaten at Dreamer's Cafe, the Indian place right next to it that I can't remember the name of, Give Pizza A Chance, and the falafel cart next to that one that I also can't remember the name of.

A few of the carts look sort of 'questionable' - but the 4 I mentioned above I've eaten at many times, and I'm still here to tell about it...

Heh.

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BTW - I'm planning on starting a regular series here soon tentatively titled "Eating Oregon", which will mostly feature local seasonal recipes and farmers markets, but also a few restaurant reviews, brewpubs and etc...

I think you might enjoy them!

:)

I'm also going to expand it on occasion to a sort of "Eating the PAC-10 Conference" thing, as I'm planning visits to Berkeley, Eugene and Seattle within the next year.  I'm very much looking forward to playing 'food tourist' in those cities soon...


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The new series sounds great! (4.00 / 1)
I don't do cart food much, having had some problems with it in the past, but that Whole Bowl thing sounds fantastic.

"Eat food. Not too much. Mostly plants." --Michael Pollan, In Defense of Food

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Ooohhhh... (4.00 / 1)
but that Whole Bowl thing sounds fantastic.

You have to try it just once!

Thank me later...

:)

I definitely understand your apprehension about the food carts, but if it makes you feel any better about it Whole Bowl also has an actual restaurant location at 4409 SE Hawthorne.


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My savior is local bread and jam (4.00 / 3)
with some probably local almond butter (who the hell knows where it's from but CA's where they grow all the almonds so it can't be from too far away).

That plus local fruit I bring in every day is my lunch. Except for when I forget. Then it gets ugly.


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Proof that the sack lunch (4.00 / 3)
need not be a complicated matter. I'm very partial to hummus and pita bread, myself--I make them both at home.

If I were to add a strictly locavore requirement to my box lunches, I'd fail, so I'm taking it a step at a time.

"Eat food. Not too much. Mostly plants." --Michael Pollan, In Defense of Food


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Thanks... (4.00 / 3)
I heard of Milwaukee, WI's Growing Power for the first time recently at that Ken Meter talk I attended a couple of months ago here in Portland that was put on by Oregon Food Bank.  He focused on Will Allen in that part of the lecture though, and I hadn't heard of Jerry Kaufman until just now.  I'll look up some of his stuff.  Thanks!

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Do you have vending machines at your work?  Those things are imo the most insidious evil introduced to public gathering places.  I ask because even though we have a cafeteria at my work that tends way more towards the healthy side, and has multiple compost bins and literally begs us to recycle everything possible - there are still just down the hallway from there numerous vending machines with 'the usual suspects' - soda, chips, candy, etc...

It really does take just insane amounts of willpower to avoid that crap altogether.

As I've mentioned before, my new job at the nonprofit is located in a hospital / health-care complex in a sketchy area of North Portland with not many food choices either, but there is at least a decent pizzeria one block over.  I eat there on occasion.  But there's also that convenience store a couple blocks down from us with that "No Drugs, No Alcohol.  Please Do Not Stand Outside and Drink Your Beer." sign that I also mentioned then.  And not really much else in the neighborhood besides gas station c-stores and "chip-n-soda" corner markets.

Maybe I'm a bit 'nosy', heh...but I've noticed that most of the people I work with do eat relatively well.  I even got into a conversation just before I got out of work tonight with a woman there along these lines.  I never knew before, but she's huge on local organic food and used to actually work one of the farmstands at the Saturday PSU Market.


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I <3 Ken Meter!!! (4.00 / 1)
Glad you got to hear him talk. Isn't he AMAZING???

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I'm lucky as well (4.00 / 4)
I live at the southern end of the Italian Market, just outside what is considered the center of town here in Philadelphia.  I know from your postings that you are well are of what is available here.

The network of farmers markets available to me is fantastic: within 12 blocks of me are markets in three different locations on Tuesday, Wednesday, Saturday and Sunday.  The market at Head House Square, which just started last year, is large and continued all the way until the week before Christmas last year.  In addition, twice a week farmers show up in Rittenhouse Square, across the street from where I work.

The markets are, quite frankly, sort of budget-busting, but I try and buy from them as much as possible.

The Reading Terminal market has a number of local vendors, and prices tend to be a bit lower.  Much of what is available there, however, would not really be considered locally sourced.

The Italian Market remains a vibrant year-round open air market for produce, meat, fish and poultry at incredibly low prices, and is a valuable resource for low income people who  come from all over the city to stock up.  Definitely not locally sourced, for the most part...these vendors buy to sell cheap and fast, and the quality is sometimes lacking, though still better than processed crap in many respects.  Quality and variety has improved a lot in recent years with the influx of Asian and Mexican immigrants.

The opposite of locally sourced, but still a joy, are the many Mexican bodegas, Asian supermarkets and middle eastern groceries within blocks of me.  Further afield, in West Philadelphia, are Indian/Pakistani groceries and African groceries.

Independent coffeehouses and micro-brewers are plentiful, and I walk past a Whole Foods supermarket every day coming home from work.

Philadelphia has done fairly well at taking farmers markets to poorer neighborhoods at least once a week, and has managed to get a few full-sized supermarkets into under-served neighborhoods.  You, Jay, have actually provided some excellent information on these despite living across the country now!

Still, this remains a huge problem here and elsewhere in the country.

I do hope to plan to post some diaries on food here in Philly, post-Netroots Ntion.


I love reading about the urban lifestyle (4.00 / 4)
in other urbs. Philadelphia, when I've been lucky enough to visit there, has struck me as one of the "good guys" among American cities.

"Eat food. Not too much. Mostly plants." --Michael Pollan, In Defense of Food

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Excellent... (4.00 / 3)
Thanks for the memories!

Please do post some Philly food diaries when you get a chance, hopefully picture-heavy ones along the lines of your fantastic Istanbul diary!

In addition, twice a week farmers show up in Rittenhouse Square, across the street from where I work.

Rittenhouse Square is imo the most perfect urban public square in the country.  Jane Jacobs went into detail as to why almost a half-century ago in her classic work The Death and Life of Great American Cities, and everything she said then still holds true about it.

Love that place, and everything else in Philly for that matter...

As a matter of fact, this NY NJ Giants fan loves Philly so much that I was even pulling for the 'Iggles' in that Super Bowl against New England a few years back!

Now that's something...

:)


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Congrats on the new neighborhood (4.00 / 6)
Atrios was mulling over this conundrum last week, too.

Atrios was also talking about this last week:

http://www.eschatonblog.com/20...

Nice to see that the mayor of Houston understands something which should be obvious but for some reason isn't.

"People are wanting to live closer to where they work," White said. "To build street-level retail, you need residences. To attract residences, you need street-level retail."

It's why it can be hard to jumpstart a neighborhood. People aren't going to live in an urban area which doesn't have the kind of retail you need to make an urban area attractive, but you can't support that kind of retail until you have the people.

With sufficient local population you have a viable local urban economy and a walkable neighborhood which then makes mass transit more viable as well.

I'm assuming the good mayor was trying to attract residents, not residences (but he is the mayor of Houston, so that may be a big assumption). But there is a huge difference between "jumpstarting" a neighborhood and public policies on zoning and other things that mitigate against a walking neighborhood. For example, that 6-lane sprint you had to take to get to transit might have been a little easier with an overhead walkway like a lot of cities have to keep neighborhoods from becoming fragmented by highways.

There has been a lot of work done on sustainable cities, and a lot of information is available, but it is hard to get city planners to pay attention. Many of them were trained to a mindset that isn't easily changed. And a shocking number of them weren't trained at all. It might help to get to know those folks in your community and learn about the process by which change and growth is implemented.

BTW, that microbrewery sounds great.


Hey! (4.00 / 4)
Great to see you here, Caro!

:)

It might help to get to know those folks in your community and learn about the process by which change and growth is implemented.

Thanks.  I'm getting deeper into things every day here, and I was a strong supporter of local transportation activist Chris Smith's Portland City Commissioner bid this year - unfortunately he finished 5th out of 5 candidates in the primary, but the race was such a crazy one that he only finished like 4 or 5 points behind the runner-up who made it onto November's general ballot.  The results were insane - it was something like 16% for the #2 guy, 15% for the #3 guy, 13% for the #4 guy and 11% for Chris.


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Great diary, Jay! This response will be a diary too. (4.00 / 5)
I can picture every painful step of your grocery shopping odyssey--I know exactly which neighborhood you were in, and which one you're in now.

Here's the difference: NE 42nd Avenue was the Portland city limit until surprisingly recently--the 60s sometime, I think. The area between 42nd and 82nd was annexed after having been fully "developed," entirely in the post WWII car era, but completely unplanned. As an employee of the City of Portland I can tell you that that whole area (and Lents) remains a source of official frustration.

The inner parts of the city, where both you and I are lucky enough to be living, were fully developed and planned before cars. I'm sure you've noticed that every sixth street or avenue on the inner-city grid is a through street, each with a small old shopping zone somewhere along its length. These were the "streetcar villages".

For the last thirty years or so, the City and the Development Commission have worked to preserve and enhance these neighborhood retail-commercial areas, with careful zoning changes, tax breaks, strict building codes, and so on. As a result, a high percentage of those streetcar villages are still in place.

Now loads of apartments and condos are going up along those avenues, but all of them are required by code to have retail and commercial space at the street level, and there's always a pleasant mix of newer and older buildings.

In Portland, as a rule, you don't get to make commercial space out of residential zoning, or the other way around. And you don't ordinarily get permission to pull down existing housing stock OR existing commercial building stock.

The downside of that is that where there are already single-family houses and larger light-industrial properties jumbled together in the ugly post WWII sprawl of the outer neighborhoods, it takes a long time to rezone them, lot by lot, to where new "streetcar villages" can begin to coalesce.

I wouldn't trade my life in close-in Northeast for anything. I chose it when gunfire was still a bit of an issue. I've stood my ground. I'm a richer person in every sense because of it.

I do love Stumptown!

"Eat food. Not too much. Mostly plants." --Michael Pollan, In Defense of Food


Wow! (4.00 / 5)
Thanks for the background info!

I was aware of the annexations, and my bus route to the Sunday Farmers Market takes me past some of the oft-lamented and mentioned dirt ('unimproved') roads of a few neighborhoods within City Limits.  I didn't realize just how recently the areas east of 42nd were annexed, though...

It makes complete sense, and you can literally see the timeline of American Urban History played out just by passing through those areas.  On the East Side inside of 42nd we have a well planned mixed-use dense urban core like most other American cities of the era (we got lucky in that the 1950's era 'urban renewal' wasn't very widespread here in Portland due to the foresight of people here, so our inner urban neighborhoods remained and prosper greatly to this day; very much unlike what happened in Newark, Detroit, Boston, St. Louis, Cleveland, Toledo, etc. during those years...).  

From 42nd to 82nd, you can see a bit of the suburban mentality creep into development patterns, but definitely not in its horrid totality.  These places sort of remind me of the earliest streetcar suburbs in a way, also known as 'inner ring' suburbs.  There are still some decent neighborhoods in that stretch, though.  You can use Sandy Boulevard as an example here.  At 42nd heading east it slowly begins to transition from compact urban to a surface parking lot here and there - and then by the 70's you're passing blank walls, strip malls and corporate grocery chains with huge parking lots.

And then beyond 82nd you're for all intents and purposes in the suburbs, if not 'technically' so.

Lents is an interesting example you mention, and is largely part of what I'd consider the 'dumb luck' category I mentioned in the diary itself.  Brooklyn and Sellwood would be two of the 'good luck' examples; and of course, Lents would be one of the 'bad luck' examples.  There was an article covering the ongoing attempts at rehabilitating that neighborhood in the Portland Tribune a few weeks ago.  As I'm sure you know, it was developed independently in the early 20th-century as a city of its own, and a streetcar used to run out there from Downtown Portland (and MAX Light Rail soon will again...).  I-205 literally ripped the neighborhood in half about 60 years later though, and greatly accelerated its downward spiral.  They weren't able to incorporate as Maywood Park in NE Portland managed to do around that time, so Lents couldn't block the destruction caused to their neighborhood by the freeway.

Some interesting sections from that Portland Tribune article -

That brings the PDC more money to lure potential employers to the huge Freeway Land Co. industrial site in the area, and to redevelop the former commercial heart of Lents, focused around Southeast 92nd Avenue and Foster Road.

"It used to have its own downtown area; the freeway put a stop to that," said Cora Potter, a Lents resident and chairwoman of the PDC's Lents Town Center Urban Renewal Advisory Committee. "We're really just bringing it back to what it was," Potter said.

Powell Boulevard (aka US 26) from the Ross Island Bridge plowed through Brooklyn's old Town Center and destroyed it decades ago, but that neighborhood came back.  Lents of course lacks the immediate physical proximity to Downtown, though.  But that hasn't stopped St. John's from coming back into being a decent neighborhood...

In recent months, a mixed-use office, retail and housing development opened on Foster near 89th Avenue, anchored by the Assurety NW Inc. corporate offices.

The PDC recently acquired two buildings around 92nd Avenue and Foster - home to a strip club and a drapery store. Those parcels likely will be offered to developers who can recast the traditional commercial center, possibly in conjunction with the nearby New Copper Penny property.

Another redevelopment is in the works at Southeast Harold Street and 92nd Avenue. Lents Little League is relocating to new ballfields at Lents Park, freeing its land for a mix of housing and commercial uses.

It will definitely be interesting to see what happens out there - at least they're putting money and effort into these areas.  Lents was at least at one time a real neighborhood.  But again, not so sure that alone can solve the existing problems of these areas.  As another example, they're building new sidewalks and putting trees in the middle of 102nd Avenue.  But will that do much good along that hideous strip of abandoned houses, suburban-style strip malls and Fred Meyer and Winco's disgusting 'combined force' of 14,000,000 parking spaces?


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This interests me a great deal (4.00 / 3)
Partially because I work for a small midwestern city that's trying to be cool like PDX (with a long way to go, sadly - the area is a weird mix of fors and againsts), and because my mom works for the PDC!

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Hey there... (4.00 / 2)
I have a link for you, also posted it in the 'random news' diary I just put up here a few minutes ago.

Because special debit cards have replaced the old food stamps, the federal government issues electronic terminals to swipe the cards. On Tuesday, Williams said she expected to receive the card reader any day now.

So far, through its Fresh Food Fund, created in 2007 to end hunger, the city has raised $50,000 for the project, including $10,000 to purchase the terminals. The city has charged the Food Project, a Lynn-based nonprofit that distributes healthy food and maintains sustainable agriculture, with administering the program. Cammy Watts, the project's director of education and advocacy, said helping markets apply for the food stamp program and training them to use the terminals is challenging.

Was wondering how that's going for youze all over at your place...


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The EBT readers are only in 1 market here (4.00 / 1)
and some of it, from what I understand, is because certain markets don't want to attract poor people. Very dumb of them in my opinion since they are just turning away money - and it's not helping the poor any to deny them access to fresh local food.

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Sadly... (4.00 / 1)
I'm not at all surprised to hear this -

and some of it, from what I understand, is because certain markets don't want to attract poor people.

Up here, the Oregon Farmers' Markets Association is strongly pushing access to these programs to its member markets.  They are also smartly linking these programs to also making possible the acceptance of credit and debit card purchases on these same card-scanning terminals from the more well-to-do segments of the population, as well.


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In Illinois... (4.00 / 2)
... not many markets have EBT machines - maybe one or two. I called the market master to get info, and we spent a lot of time on the phone, but I didn't come away with much knowledge.

Our Market is run by the City (I'm a city employee with other duties, which is v aggravating because this can easily be its own job, but that's another story for another day) and to ask for funds for machines (plus staff to distribute tokens, etc) would require a lot of memos and presentations to City Council, blah blah blah... and will take forever.

I'm willing to do it.

I want to do it.

Illinois Market Masters are just getting organized, and the Illinois Local and Organic Food & Farm Task Force is hopefully going to help us get some $$ so we can get our markets up to speed.

Thanks for asking!


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Gritting teeth and yelling 'bah!"... (4.00 / 1)
What's the hold up on this?

17 of 35 member farmers markets in the Portland area accept Oregon Trail EBT cards; but I'm not willing to rest out here until it's 100%, as it should be everywhere...

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And thanks for answering!  

I'm willing to do it.

I want to do it.

Could any of us help in any way?


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It's $$ and logistics (4.00 / 2)
Really, there should be federal and/or state funding available for AT LEAST the purchase of the equipment.

It's cost that's the holdup. Not just the cost of the machines, but the cost of paying for the network fees, and for developing a system. In my case, too, it's staffing and City issues.

I'm working on it, though. I'm working on it on my own time along with a lot of other things to improve our market, actually. It's a little exhausting to be the boots on the ground all the time with no staff (I only have staff day-of), but I'm not complaining - it's just that we move a little slower than I'd like.

:)


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Good reseach--gotta love the Trib (4.00 / 2)
Thanks for the additional background. I-205 is a scourge, and as I read somewhere recently, a road lasts longer than the Pyramids, so it's not going anywhere. (Though...Waterfront Park used to be a freeway, so I suppose anything's possible.)

St. Johns's "good luck" is that it has a) the river, b) one of the world's most beautiful bridges, c) views, d) hills, and e) housing stock dating largely from the Craftsman era.

Lents has not a single one of those advantages, and undesirable neighborhoods always get screwed in development deals because they're populated by the poorest people. Which is by no means to say that such neighborhoods shouldn't be decent places to live, and I'm delighted to know that PDC is actively working to bring "Felony Flats" into the fold of fine Portland neighborhoods.

"Eat food. Not too much. Mostly plants." --Michael Pollan, In Defense of Food


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Not necessarily... (4.00 / 2)
and as I read somewhere recently, a road lasts longer than the Pyramids, so it's not going anywhere. (Though...Waterfront Park used to be a freeway, so I suppose anything's possible.)

Yes, here in Portland they tore that nasty thing down (an old exit ramp from it still remains just off the Hawthorne Bridge westbound, though - an interesting artifact I see daily on my #4 TriMet bus ride into work as soon as we cross the Willamette from the East Side into Downtown...), and Tom McCall Waterfront Park is one of the greatest things about Downtown Portland.

About 800 miles south of us, the 1989 Loma Prieta earthquake unpredictably took care of San Francisco's Embarcadero Freeway, and now the Ferry Building Marketplace and San Francisco Ferry Plaza Farmers Market exist in its place, alongside a SF Muni Light Rail Line and near the BART subway amidst one of the current liveliest urban public gathering places in America.

Which is by no means to say that such neighborhoods shouldn't be decent places to live, and I'm delighted to know that PDC is actively working to bring "Felony Flats" into the fold of fine Portland neighborhoods.

I'm following the developments on SE Foster closely, and they really are coming along at least in the 50's.  The sidewalks are now clean, lively and there are even a few independent businesses and neighborhood coffee shops opening up along the way.

It's definitely gonna work there, but the question is where will the residents of a few years ago eventually end up?  

Will the community rehabilitation effort be total and comprehensive, including human solutions for the people there?  Or will those 'problems' just be pushed 'out of sight, out of mind' to outer NE or Gresham?

.....................

BTW, wish I had a camera!  I'd post pics of the St. Johns Bridge right here - it really is one of the most beautiful bridges in America, and definitely my favorite in Portland...  

And that's saying a lot for Bridgetown!

:)


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Here's one (4.00 / 2)
A nice photo of the bridge here (didn't want to hotlink)

Lively clean sidewalks and small local businesses and coffee shops are the heart and soul of neighborhood. When they come via gentrification, lower income people get forced out. I still don't know how the problem gets resolved.

"Eat food. Not too much. Mostly plants." --Michael Pollan, In Defense of Food


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