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Goats: The New WMD

by: Jill Richardson

Wed Oct 05, 2011 at 21:26:13 PM PDT


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Are you terrified? You should be! Because these seemingly adorable little goats.... produce RAW MILK!

The City of San Diego is now undergoing a massive revamping of its urban ag laws. Today the city council reviewed the proposed new laws covering farmers markets, chickens, bees, and goats. Only the goats might not happen after all. They are, um, dangerous.

This morning, a letter came out from the county explaining that goats produce raw milk and therefore should not be allowed. It encouraged people to instead purchase their milk, either raw or pasteurized, from legal dairies. We have exactly two dairies left in our county and neither sell to the public. Legal raw milk options are also limited and - I would contend - unacceptable.

A huge crowd of citizens came to the meeting in support of the new laws and requesting tweaks to the proposed language of the laws here and there. One woman who spoke in favor of goats at the meeting gave the council a quick lesson in pasteurization. She brought a timer, a thermometer, and a pot and explained how one should bring the milk the required temperature for 30 minutes and then plunge it into an ice bath to cool it rapidly. The council members laughed, since it is obviously very simple for people to pasteurize their own milk if they wish to.

I focused my remarks on ducks, which were left out of the proposed law, but sent in written comments that read, in part:

I'm quite upset about the notion that goats should be outlawed because they might produce raw milk. Please consider that people are permitted to buy raw meat under the expectation that they will cook it. What's more, under U.S. law, it's legal for up to 49.9% of ground turkey samples tested to test positive for salmonella. This is disturbing as ground meat can have pathogens in the center and not just on the surfaces of the meat, which means consumers can become ill unless they cook the meat extremely thoroughly. When Consumers Union tested a random sampling of fresh supermarket broilers (chicken) in 22 states, 66 percent were found contaminated with either campylobacter, salmonella, or both. Most of the pathogens detected were resistant to at least one antibiotic. And consumers are trusted to cook this tainted meat sufficiently to avoid illness and allowed to risk it if they want to cook their turkey burgers rare instead of well done. Why are we not trusted to produce and/or pasteurize our own milk?

What's more, the most dangerous food statistically is not raw milk but raw oysters - and those remain legal.

I find it unreasonable enough that U.S. citizens in much of the country cannot legally buy raw milk, but banning people from owning a goat simply because you do not want them to drink raw milk from their own goat is one step too far. Even in states with very strict laws against the sale of raw milk, farmers and their families can drink milk from their own animals without pasteurizing it.

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Goats: The New WMD | 11 comments
Goaties! (3.67 / 3)
BTW, I have a cornucopia of cute goatie pictures from the fair. I am smitten with Nigerian Dwarf Goats. Fortunately, we have no 4H dairy goat leader. I am safe at least one more year.

I'm surprised they cited raw milk as the issue. I would think they would go after their destructive natures and their little goatie voices. They are notoriously difficult to contain.

As it was, he did a deal with a blancmange, and the blancmange ate his wife.


So I can't help but point out (3.67 / 3)
since they are probably prohibiting roosters, why not then prohibit does but allow wethers and bucks? Hmmmm????? :-)

As it was, he did a deal with a blancmange, and the blancmange ate his wife.

Roosters are out (4.00 / 1)
Male goats would have been OK if neutered. I've made a case for allowing ducks of both sexes, although with the goal of egg production, so I would imagine most people would want mostly females.

"I can understand someone from Iowa promoting corn and soy, but we are not feeding the world, we are feeding animals and soft drink companies." - Jim Goodman

[ Parent ]
Male ducks are reasonably well behaved (4.00 / 2)
and not any more noisy or messy than the girls... other than the potential side effect of ducklings. :-)

As it was, he did a deal with a blancmange, and the blancmange ate his wife.

[ Parent ]
I heart ducklings (4.00 / 1)
I'd love to have a male duck around!

"I can understand someone from Iowa promoting corn and soy, but we are not feeding the world, we are feeding animals and soft drink companies." - Jim Goodman

[ Parent ]
Having 3 bucks here, I can attest to the fact (4.00 / 1)
that you don't wan't 'em unless you're breeding. Most of the year they have no smell. But during the rutt? You'll want to burn your clothes after feeding. Aside from breeding during the rutt, a buck's two favorite things to do seem to be peeing all over himself (including into his mouth) and licking himself wihle he's peeing into his mouth.

Normal people scare me.... But not as much as I scare them.

[ Parent ]
oops should add (4.00 / 1)
what I meant was that the proposed law DID allow male goats if neutered.

"I can understand someone from Iowa promoting corn and soy, but we are not feeding the world, we are feeding animals and soft drink companies." - Jim Goodman

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I really don't understand why you can have an Irish Wolfhound (4.00 / 2)
or a Newfoundland, or several other breeds of 100 pound plus dogs in the city, but not a dwarf goat.

Goat voices? You can hear the local German Shepard bark for several blocks.  


Also (4.00 / 2)
Are goats more annoying than a leafblower?

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In addition to that (4.00 / 1)
it's the whole livestock thing. Hell, my horses are nicer than a lot of dogs I know and their crap don't smell as bad. Can't have a horse in the city now can you, even with a big lot. Well, unless you're in Norco...

There's this whole urban thing and the rural thing. That's also why people are allowed and even encouraged to build in cities and why, at least in some states and areas, you're restricted in what you can build in the countryside.  

Normal people scare me.... But not as much as I scare them.


[ Parent ]
It's the milk (4.00 / 1)
not the size or the noise.

"I can understand someone from Iowa promoting corn and soy, but we are not feeding the world, we are feeding animals and soft drink companies." - Jim Goodman

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