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Bolivia Diaries: Intro to Bolivian Politics

by: Jill Richardson

Thu Aug 25, 2011 at 10:41:24 AM PDT


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This diary is part of a series describing my trip to Bolivia to study food sovereignty, agroecology, and climate change. On our second day, we saw a presentation from the Bolivian Forum on the Environment and Development (FOBOMADE) and then took a tour of the La Paz foodshed. Before delving into the topics FOBOMADE covered, I think it would be prudent to provide an overview of recent Bolivian politics.

Previous diaries can be seen here:

You can also find diaries from my 2010 trip to Bolivia here.

Jill Richardson :: Bolivia Diaries: Intro to Bolivian Politics
The 1952 Revolution, in Brief
Bolivian politics, like everything else in Bolivia, are complicated. For all practical purposes, the history that we care about began in 1952 with the Bolivian revolution. One of the major groups behind the revolution were the miners, but there was also a call by peasants (many of whom were indigenous) for land reform. Thus, Bolivia initiated land reform in 1953, breaking up its haciendas and distributing the land to those who worked on them. At this time, most of the population lived in the Altiplano, Yungas, and the Valleys, and so that's where the land reform primarily occurred.

At the time, the U.S. decided that the revolutionary government was not Communist and thus wanted to help it to prevent any future move toward Communism. There was a decline in food availability following the land reform. Some say this is due to inefficiency of small peasant farming but I tend to believe that a bigger factor is that the peasants were eating the food they grew. It's also possible that they grew less food not because of inefficiency but because they had no desire to grow more than they needed, and they left unneeded land fallow instead of cultivating it to grow excess to sell.

At any rate, during this time, the general "Green Revolution" mentality was one that considered hunger a risk factor of Communism, and the U.S. and the Bolivian government both wanted Bolivia to be able to produce enough rice and sugar to feed its population. These are both urban luxury goods that peasants do not eat. Meanwhile, the U.S. was sending tons of wheat to Bolivia as food aid under PL 480. Bolivia began following a U.S. plan for development called the Bohan Plan, establishing large scale agriculture in the previously sparsely populated tropical lowlands in the East. We will cover this in greater detail when we talk about the eastern department of Santa Cruz.

The revolutionary government, led by the party the MNR (Movimiento Nationalista Revolucionario), did not last very long. For most of the 1970s, Bolivia was taken over by a military dictator, Hugo Banzer. (As Bolivia likes to recycle its presidents, even the bad ones, Banzer was later elected to the presidency from 1997 to 2001.) Still, the land reform and the establishment of industrial agricultural in the east left a lasting mark on Bolivian politics to this day.

1985: Bolivia's Shock Therapy
In the early 1980s, Bolivia experienced hyperinflation. The 1985 election was Hugo Banzer vs. Angel Victor Paz Estenssoro, who was the first president of the revolutionary government in 1952. The election was close and ultimately, the Congress got to decide. Before the decision was made, Banzer brought in then-Harvard economics professor Jeffrey Sachs, who drew up an orthodox neoliberal economic plan of "shock therapy." This means opening markets, deregulating industry, and cutting social spending. But somehow, once everything shook out, Bolivia ended up with Paz Estenssoro as President - AND Sachs' plan of shock therapy.

An important component of the shock therapy was the selling off of state mining companies and the firing of some 30,000 miners. Many of the fired miners went to the Chapare (in Cochabamba) to grow coca. Remember that they were one of the radical elements behind the 1952 revolution? Well, they remained radical and continued to be a political force as cocaleros in Chapare, as we will see below.

One of the most influential members of the 1985 Paz cabinet was Gonzalo Sánchez de Lozada (Goni), who later served as President from 1993-1997 and 2002-2003. Several major political parties, including the once-revolutionary MNR, became uniformly neoliberal during this period.

2000-2005: Bolivia's Revolutionary Epoch
In 2000, Bolivia was still firmly in the grasp of neoliberalismo, but the tide began to change with the Water Wars of Cochabamba. This is actually a subject I do not have much information about, but the short version is below. From Wikipedia:

According to The Ecologist in 2000, the World Bank declared it would not "renew" a 25 million USD loan to Bolivia unless it privatized its water services. According to Jim Shultz, executive director of the Democracy Center in Cochabamba, the World Bank believed that "poor governments are often too plagued by local corruption and too ill equipped to run public water systems efficiently. ...[and that the use of private corporations] opens the door to needed investment and skilled management."

We met with the Democracy Center in Cochabamba, although we talked about their current efforts on the climate crisis instead of their past work on the Water Wars.

The Banzer government gave the contract for Cochabamba's water to "Aguas del Tunari," named for a mountain that is an icon of Cochabamba. Actually, of course, it was Bechtel in disguise. Bechtel raised the rates on water, among other things, and protesting ensued. The government sent in law enforcement from other parts of the country to crack down on the protesters. When protest leaders went to negotiate with the government, they were arrested. Honestly, the Wikipedia article on this doesn't seem great, but there is a chapter in a book called Dignity and Defiance (by the Democracy Center) that has been recommended to me as a source for more information.

This event set off a period in Bolivia's history known as a "Revolutionary Epoch." As I understand it, that is a period in which the conditions are ripe for a revolution, but a revolution doesn't actually have to occur. And, in Bolivia, it didn't.

In 2003, massive protests led to the resignation of Goni. His vice president, Carlos Mesa, assumed the presidency until protests got rid of him too. This ultimately led to the 2005 election of Evo Morales, the first indigenous president in Bolivian history.

1992-1999: Formation of MAS
The party of Evo Morales, Movimiento a Socialismo, is known as MAS. This is a great party name as "mas" is the Spanish word for "more." According to Jeffrey R. Webber, "The party originated as the anti-imperialist and anti-neolibearl arm of an indigenous-peasant movement in the department of Cochabamba in the mid-1990s." (From Rebellion to Reform in Bolivia: Class Struggle, Indigenous Liberation, and the Politics of Evo Morales, p. 44.) The original base of MAS were radical cocaleros, many who were came from the group of radical miners who played a role in the 1952 revolution and then lost their jobs in 1985. They were in direct conflict with U.S. coca eradication efforts, literally fighting for their livelihoods against the state and its policies. Webber says:

Ideological convergence and mutual transformation quickly congealed a coalition of social forces in the newly volatile, semitropical setting of Chapare, where the Marxist ideas and organization strategies brought to the area by migrant miners melded with those visions and tactics of the preexisting networks of indigenous and peasant union and community structures. - p. 58-59

He traces this as far back as 1992. In 1995, this movement formed a political party, the Asamblea por la Soberania de los Pueblos (Assembly for the Sovereignty of the Peoples, ASP). At this point, Morales was not the party's leader or its candidate. It ran in 1995 and 1997 elections jointly with the party Izquierda Unida (United Left, IU). In 1998, the group fractured due to disputes between its three main leaders, Felipe Quispe, Alejo Veliz, and Evo Morales. (p. 60)

Two parties emerged in its place - Movimiento Indigena Pachakuti (Pachakuti Indigenous Movement, MIP) and Instrumento Politico por la Soberania de los Pueblos (Political Instrument for the Sovereignty of the Peoples, IPSP). (Pachakuti refers to the indigenous belief that a bad "pachakuti" - a period of 500 years - will be followed by a good one, and vice versa. The Spanish ushered in the bad one, so the good one should start any time now.)

IPSP was led by Morales. However, due to technicalities, IPSP was unable to become an official political party, so they took on the name of an "officially registered but defunct political party," MAS. (p. 60) Today in Bolivia, you will occasionally see MAS signs that say MAS-IPSP. MAS initially ran in municipal elections in 1999, winning 10 mayoral elections and 79 municipal council seats, but only 3.27% of the vote (p. 60)

During this time, however, the MAS party was not only acting through electoral politics. They were also very active in protests and civil disobedience. Webber says that at this time they were a political instrument, and not just a political party. That is, if elections did not give them the policies they were after, they were all too willing to work through other means.

Bio of Evo Morales
Evo Morales (Juan Evo Morales Ayma) was born to an Aymara family in the Altiplano department of Oruro in 1959. "Four of his seven Aymara indigenous siblings died from illnesses related to poverty and absence of sufficient health infrastructure in the region." (p. 62) In the early 1980s, they moved to Chapare because of a massive drought in the Altiplano. As Cochabamba is primarily Quechua, Evo learned to speak fluent Quechua and lost some of his fluency in Aymara. In Chapare, he moved up through the ranks of cocalero peasant unions, ultimately becoming its leader in 1988, and the leader of MAS in 1998.

2002: MAS Moves to the Center
In 2002, Evo Morales ran for president against GONI, winning 20.9% to Goni's 22.5%. This brought about a major change in MAS, as the party saw that it had a serious shot at winning the presidency in the next elections. Webber says:

The sights were set on contesting the 2007 presidential elections. Parliamentary strategies were privileged over protest politics, as witnessed most dramatically in the relative absence of the MAS in the October 2003 rebellions [which led to the resignation of Goni]. The party began moderating its economic demands in an effort to attract urban middle-class voters, a moderation captured in party officials' constant refrain, "de la protesta a la propuesta" (from protest to proposal). There was an explicit effort made to extend from the cocalero region and ... base to a wider, cross-regional, and cross-class constituency that would incorporate other indigenous movements, peasant movements, the urban poor, and the urban working class; however, the thrust of the new trajectory was to win over urban intellectuals and the urban middle class. p. 63

2005-Beyond: Evo Takes the Presidency but Allows the Right to Gain Power
In 2005, Evo Morales won the presidency with a majority of > 50% of the vote. This is UNHEARD OF in Bolivia, where numerous parties usually compete and no one comes out with more than 50%. In the presidential race, Morales won 53.7% of the vote. Additionally, turnout was unusually HIGH.... 84.5% of eligible voters, compared with 12.5% in 2002.

The next three runners up were all neoliberal parties, PODEMOS with 28.5%, UN with 7.8%, and the MNR with 6.4%. Remember that the MNR was once the revolutionary party. PODEMOS means "Yes We Can" (hello, Obama), which is very close to Goni's previous slogan "Si Se Puede" (Yes It's Possible). Goni was advised by several top U.S. Democratic Party consultants. PODEMOS was a coalition created for that election and I don't think it exists anymore. UN stands for Unidad Nacional (National Unity). Behind the neoliberal parties was the other leftist party, Movimiento Indigena Pachakuti, with only 2.1% of the vote.

MAS also won one house of Congress, the Chamber of Deputies. But it lost the Senate, with 12 seats to PODEMOS' 13 - and the other 2 seats were occupied by the other 2 neoliberal parties.

Also interesting is the outcome of departmental prefecture elections, as it shows the political leanings of different parts of Bolivia.

First, there's the Altiplano departments of La Paz, Oruro, and Potosi. Oruro and Potosi went to MAS, whereas La Paz went to PODEMOS. This is odd, as the massive voting force of El Alto is a reliable vote for the left in La Paz. PODEMOS got 37.9% to MAS' 33.8%. A third party, FREPAB, took 11.9%, and MIP took 5.4%. This is not a mandate for PODEMOS and neoliberalism.

Next, the valley departments of Chuquisaca and Cochabamba. Chuquisaca went to MAS, and Cochabamba went to a rightwing asshole named Manfred Reyes Villa who garnered 47.6% of the vote to MAS' 43.1%. Manfred's now a hated figure in Cochabamba, if the graffiti is to be believed.

Then there are the lowland "Media Luna" departments - the Bolivian version of Red States: Pando, Beni, Santa Cruz, and Tarija. Think of Santa Cruz as Texas. MAS took 6.0%, 6.7%, 24.2%, and 20.4% of the vote, respectively, in those four departments. Remember the Bohan plan from the 1950's? This is now paying its dividends in Bolivian politics, as the large industrial farming landholders of the Media Luna want a continuation of neoliberalism and are strongly opposed to nationalization of gas and mining. (Most of the fossil fuels are located in the Media Luna department of Tarija, and I believe there is some in Santa Cruz too.)

Without going into too much detail, the end of this story is that MAS turned into a reformist party, not a radical one. They are to the left of the neoliberal parties but that isn't say much (just like it means little to say that the Dems are to the left of the Republicans in the U.S.) Evo has increased state revenues from gas extraction during his time in office, but he has not nationalized either gas or mining, despite the clear mandate he has for both from the peasant majority in Bolivia.

He has also left a lot of room for the right to regain power after the thumping it took in the 2005 elections. Morales has remained very popular, but he set up a process of rewriting Bolivia's constitution in such a way that the right had a lot of control over the contents of the new constitution. At the same time, the rightwing bases in the four Media Luna departments have all voted for departmental authority, by which they mean in large part that they want to keep and control their own tax revenue, among other things. And since these are the departments with the natural gas, the agribusiness, and a huge percent of the country's exports and wealth, that's a big deal.

Evo and Obama
I see a comparison between Evo and Obama, aside from the fact that they are each a racial first in their countries (first indigenous president & first African-American president). Both came in with a lot of change and hope from the populist left, but both turned out to basically be centrists. Of course, the center in Bolivia is to the left of the center in the U.S., so the U.S. still sees Evo as a leftist.

Both Evo & Obama left room for the right to gain a lot of power, and lost the ability to do some of what they wanted to do, even though it wasn't very far to the left anyway. They've each done some good - Obama passing healthcare, and Evo increasing state revenues from gas extraction, for example - but have not gone as far as the left in their respective countries wanted (i.e. single payor or a public option, and nationalization of gas and mining).

In each country, these leaders have been given somewhat of a grace period by many on the left, deferring to the party against their own wishes in some cases, waiting to give Evo and Obama a chance before judging them harshly. This has often led to disagreements among the left in each country, as some want to fight the party in power, and some want to defer to their leadership.

However, the social movements in Bolivia are stronger than those in the U.S. Evo has a true challenge from the left, whereas Obama does not. While I was in Bolivia this last time, there were blockades around the country as well as an indigenous march in protest of various government policies. And these all came from the left.

The next two diaries will go deeper into two current issues in Bolivia: GMOs, and a highway that is planned to cut through a protected area (for environmental reasons) that is also an indigenous territory (TIPNIS), which is being massively protested by the indigenous.

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Interesting history lesson (4.00 / 2)
but Jill, could you please not refer to Barac Obama as our first black (african american) president? Because he's not. He's no more (or just as) white as he is black, which is to say, he's half and half.

Barac Obama is our first bi-racial president.

Normal people scare me.... But not as much as I scare them.


true (4.00 / 2)
but it's also true that we always consider someone who is a mix to be whatever the race with the lesser status is (i.e. if you're half white and half black, we call you half black and consider you black). Sad but true. His election is still a landmark.

"I can understand someone from Iowa promoting corn and soy, but we are not feeding the world, we are feeding animals and soft drink companies." - Jim Goodman

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I actually think that (4.00 / 2)
given the race relations in this country, even now, it's even more significant that he got elected given that he's mixed race. Historically, both whites and blacks have looked down on mixed race people of both extraction. I've heard more people from both races denegrate mixes than people who are only one or the other.

Even though Barac and each party only talked about him being black, his parentage wasn't hidden by any means, in fact it was talked about quite a bit.

People can call him black all they want, that still doesn't make him black, anymore than calling my little mule a donkey or a horse makes him either of those.  

Normal people scare me.... But not as much as I scare them.


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Ahem. (0.00 / 0)
Most American women accept themselves and other women as they are and do not feel they need boob jobs, cosmetic genital surgery, or other kinds of cosmetic surgery. Most short people accept themselves as they are and do not undertake painful bone-lengthening surgeries to increase their height, and most tall people similarly do not subject themselves to idiotic procedures to become shorter. Similarly, most people of color accept themselves as they are and do not judge each other on whether or not they have any white ancestry.

Mass deviation from the acceptance paradigm can have tragic consequences, as in modern day Rwanda and Sudan. In modern day South America, Central America, and North America, consequences of ancestry concerns aren't so overtly tragic. They're still pernicious, but I don't know, and don't know of, any white Americans who accord greater status to people who are "pure" black than to colored people who have white ancestors. Specifically, I don't know of any white Americans whose opinions about Barack Obama would be better if he were "pure" black, and I don't know of any white Americans whose opinion of Barack Obama is elevated because his mother was white. If some white people care about this, they must be a distinctly minority fringe.

I accept that, because I am white, the African Americans with whom I am associated might not have the same conversations with me, or might not say the same things to me, as they do with each other. I get to hear a lot of radio programs in which African Americans speak with each other, however, and my impression is that black Marylanders care no more about this issue than white Marylanders.

The discussion about how black Obama is or is not, and whether he is "black enough", truly was one of the most inane and least edifying conversations of the 2008 election cycle. I fervently hope we aren't forced to tolerate that crap again.

You're right, Joanne. Technically, you are correct. I think the Obamas don't care, though, and I don't think many other people care.

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Hmmm. Reading through this comment, I'm not sure the first paragraph is on point, but I'll leave it in.


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inanity (0.00 / 0)
To be sure, avoiding inanity in the coming campaign is a forlorn hope. If it isn't birtherism or whether Obama loves the U.S., it'll be something else at least as stupid.

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I agree with you. (4.00 / 1)
One thing that really iritates me is when I listen to conservative talk shows, I have never, since Obama was campaigning during the primary and general elections as well as since he was sworn in, heard a conservative host or their listeners call in an bring up the fact that he's black at all, either in support or in opposition to him or any of his policies. Most of those listeners are white, and all of the hosts are white.

However, when I listen to the liberal talk hosts, the primary reason they think that conservaties don't like Obama and didn't (for the most part) vote for him is because he's black. All of those who I listen to - Thom Hartman, Alan Combs, Ed Schultz, Randy Rhodes, and others who fill in occasionally - promote this meme. If I were to only listen to them, I'd believe that the only reason any conservative (or any other white person for that matter) would ever have voted against Obama or oppose any of his policies is because of racisism.

That's one reason why I don't like this whole position of calling Obama black. For one, he ain't any more than I'm Italian. And for the other, he's just as white as he is black, which means he ain't white either. He's Barac Obama, if anything, identify him as a democrat. How much melanin a person has in their skin has absolutely no bearing on anything as far as I'm concerned. It just means they have more pigment than me.

It's a shame that so many people can't just take him for who he is. Someone who wanted the job because he wanted to work for his country, and not because he's black or white or any other race/combination of races.

So much for people wanting to be color blind.

Normal people scare me.... But not as much as I scare them.


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It's true that he's mixed race (4.00 / 2)
and I think it's also significant that he was raised by the white side of his family and that his father came directly from Africa and did not have a history of slavery in his past. He's not anything like your average African-American. However, the racist part of our country treats him as if he was. Hence the racist jokes of him replacing the White House lawn with a watermelon patch.  

"I can understand someone from Iowa promoting corn and soy, but we are not feeding the world, we are feeding animals and soft drink companies." - Jim Goodman

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Hadn't heard that one. (4.00 / 1)
I think it's ironic also that it's the left talkers I hear harping on his race all the time and spinning right wingers' position against Obama's policies as only based on racism. Of course, it couldn't ever have anything to do with many of his policies being diametrically opposed to the actual policy position of right wingers and even more moderate conservatives. of course, those people only ever base their opinion on race.

This from the party that's supposed to be anti racism to the point of color blindness.

Normal people scare me.... But not as much as I scare them.


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Joanne (4.00 / 2)
it's not socially acceptable to be overtly racist in our society. So they don't. Usually. But what about the guy who had to stop running to be the head of the Republican National Committee after it was revealed he had given out racist CDs about Obama? Or the watermelon cracks? Or the photos of the Obamas as native Africans with bones through their noses? Etc.

I've heard plenty of racism comments about Obama that didn't occur on Rush Limbaugh or other rightwing radio. For example a friend's co-workers made a crack about replacing the White House lawn with a watermelon patch long before a picture like that showed up in the media when some other jerk made the same joke. My friend - same friend - got in trouble at work for reaming out a coworker for using the N word. His boss thought that the guy should be allowed to use the N word, but my friend was rude for yelling at him for it. The overt racism, when and where it exists, is underground usually - not right out in the open.

And I don't think most Republicans are racists. But I would bet you that many racists are Republican.

"I can understand someone from Iowa promoting corn and soy, but we are not feeding the world, we are feeding animals and soft drink companies." - Jim Goodman


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And I've heard the same or similar types of remarks from democrats (4.00 / 1)
The thing that irritates me the most is when the talking heads on the liberal side try to paint all conservatives, repulbicans, people in the tea party (sorry but they ain't teabaggers like many of the liberal talking heads call them) as racist. Nor do I appreciate it when these same people say openly that the ONLY reason anyone would ever not like Obama and/or his policies is because they're racist.

What these people are doing is trying, openly mind you, to keep the whole racism culture going. God help them if they ever had to refute a conservative's point of view or opinion with logic. No, it has to be because they're all racist.

Normal people scare me.... But not as much as I scare them.


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well i hope you recognize that that's (4.00 / 2)
not what I'm claiming here, nor is it anything I've seen ever claimed on this site. And in the past, before 1964, it was the Democrats who were the party of racism.

"I can understand someone from Iowa promoting corn and soy, but we are not feeding the world, we are feeding animals and soft drink companies." - Jim Goodman

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Jill is correct. (0.00 / 0)
Life experience matters, and the fact is that President Obama self-identifies as African-American.

"My black activist friends from here to Boston say that you are not black, you are multiracial, and I want to know how you self-identify?" he was asked at a recent event.

Obama replies: "I self-identify as African American - that's how I'm treated and that's how I'm viewed. I'm proud of it."

Barack Obama has said that the big city cab drivers who once refused to pick him up had no doubt about his blackness back then, nor should anyone else now

This is the reality of the United States of America, Jo.  No offense, but since you brought the racial / ethnic aspect into this discussion, I'd suggest that those who are from virtually monolithically white, Christian regions of this country should probably leave the judging of race / ethnic relations / racial /ethnic experiences of America to those who've lived it.

People like Barack Obama.

Please do not presume to be the one to insist upon what he is and what he isn't.  Let the person who's lived it, tell it themselves.

Please read this.

It's not about disrespect or dismissal, but rather about life experience.  As Jill mentioned above.

Back to the cab driver, if Mr. Obama were not president so many people in this country would never be falling all over themselves to note that "but, but, but he's white, too!"

Please do not attempt to deny the reality of race in the United States of America.  It's rather offensive.

Another story.  And just to consider one point a friend of mine brought up recently.

I remember all too well the... shall we say "separation?"... there was come December during the holidays between the Jewish kids and the Christian kids in our New Jersey public school(s).  And we always lived in places with relatively high Jewish populations, at that.

But regardless.

A further point here is that Jews are, of course, an ethnic people, while Judaism is a religion (though there's much overlap, it's by no means exclusive).  So it's not even about religion in that case, either.  It's about ethnicity and their experiences as a minority in this country, as well.

There's a reason my dad's dad hid his Jewish roots all of his life, even after he got here from Poland, after all.   His experiences he escaped from, just in the nick of time.  There are, after all, Jews who practice Judaism, there are Jews who are atheists, and there are Jews who practice other belief systems.  None of that really matters to some, though.

Just like the cab driver who refused to pick Mr. Obama up wouldn't have reconsidered if he had yelled, "but my mom's white!" after him as he stood out on the curb in the rain as the cab screeched off...

If one has heritage on both sides, this does not mean that one is treated equally by all.  Especially if one is notably viewed as "the other," through self-identification or otherwise.

From the blog post above -

And yes, President Obama (much like my eldest son) is technically biracial. However, he is not light enough to pass and so he has spent his life (regardless of the color of his mother and grandmother) being treated as a black man in his everyday interactions.

Please do not attempt to deny this reality.


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I think you missunderstand my position (0.00 / 0)
I never said that there wasn't any racism in this county. I said that it irritates me. It's wrong, and it's especially wrong when the party that's supposed to be against racism plays the race card in order to further their agenda. It's one reason why I have absolutely no respect for the democratic party. Which is exactly as much respect as I have for the republicans.

Although perhaps, according to what you've written above, maybe it would be better to just not try to get over the whole race thing. Maybe we should go ahead and judge people by how much melanin they have in their skin and forget about the 'content of their character'.

There was a feller who said something about that character content thingy once a while back..... I suppose he was just spouting off though. Silly pipe dream anyway.

Normal people scare me.... But not as much as I scare them.


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I do not... (0.00 / 0)
...misunderstand anything.

I am replying specifically to your assertion that those who refer to President Obama as an African-American are wrong.

We - including myself, Jill and President Obama himself, are not.  And I note that you do not even attempt to address any of the points above.  Rather, you attempt to deflect through twisting historical quotes and bringing party politics into the discussion.

This speaks volumes, thanks anyway.


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Then I'm going to start refering to him as (0.00 / 0)
America's white president. Because, given his heritage, I'm just as right as those who refer to him as black.

Normal people scare me.... But not as much as I scare them.

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Only in terms of genetics, Joanne (4.00 / 2)
Culture is very significant too. In terms of genetics/heritage, I'm half Eastern European Jew & half Scottish/German protestant. In terms of beliefs, I'm neither. In terms of culture, I'm 100% Jewish, not 50%. Despite having a goy for a dad, I grew up with all the Yiddish, Passover seders, ethnic Jewish food, a Bat Mitzvah, and all the Jewish guilt you could ask for, and little of the ethnic heritage from my dad's side. I had the experience of growing up as a minority, even though by blood I've got 50% of the majority culture in me.

It's not just your blood and genes. It's how you self-identify and how you are treated by society. And the crazier thing still is that genetically, THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS RACE. It's 100% a human construct and what matters isn't so much what your genes are but how people use that human construct of race to classify you and treat you. And there is no way you could ever make a case that Obama sees himself as white or that people in the US see him as white. He's no more white than I am Christian. Just like he has 50% white genes & parents, I've got 50% Christian relatives... but culturally, I was the kid who got picked to sing a solo for the Hanukkah song in the school Christmas pageant, and not because I have a good voice.

"I can understand someone from Iowa promoting corn and soy, but we are not feeding the world, we are feeding animals and soft drink companies." - Jim Goodman


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Now I think that you are missunderstanding the whole point of my discussion on this (4.00 / 1)
I never said that other people didn't see him as equally white as black. Where I'm coming from is that I see him as equally black and white. And, because of that, it just irritates me to no end for people to say he's one or the other.

I do not take race, gender or culture into consideration when determining the worth of a person. When I meet you for the first time, all you are is a human. You've got a blank slate. What I base my estimation of your worth on are your words and your behavior. As soon as I see someone I've never met before, if I will be interacting with them in any way and for any amount of time, I start watching and listening to them. How I interact with you and whether or not I trust you is based solely on your behavior and how well your words mesh with your actions. And everytime a person says something, or does something, I update that assessment.

People say they want to get rid of racism, that's the only way humans can do that. I do it, if I can do it, others can as well. But as long as all of you keep identifying people primarily by their race, or by their culture, you as a species will never move foreward. H. sapiens, culturally, will forever be stuck back in their caves knawing on a knuckle bone around the fire.

Given that he's self identified as black only is a shame. Self identifying as he has means that he supports the whole racial paradigm just like almost every other human on this planet.

As to the frame that race isn't genetic. Of course it isn't genetic. It's a classification based on certain physical characteristics. However those characteristics ARE determined and completely controled by genes. Melanin production and distribution, hair coat, other physical characteristics like the epicanthic fold are all controled by genes and pretty much by nothing else. Just as gender is controled by genes. So the definition of race is based on and determined by genetics. But it's completely a human construct. As are all of our concepts.


Normal people scare me.... But not as much as I scare them.


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Thank you... (4.00 / 1)
...for confirming you understand none of this.

[ Parent ]
Jay, I understand this all too well (4.00 / 1)
please read my reply to Jill above.

Normal people scare me.... But not as much as I scare them.

[ Parent ]
Do you think the Senate (4.00 / 2)
prevented Evo from enacting his agenda, being that it is controlled by the opposition party?  

perhaps (4.00 / 2)
but Evo was also pretty unstrategic in how he went about drafting the new constitution, giving the right a huge % of the representation... and the right has mounted enormous civil resistance in addition to anything they've done w/in the govt.

"I can understand someone from Iowa promoting corn and soy, but we are not feeding the world, we are feeding animals and soft drink companies." - Jim Goodman

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