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Science, GMOs, and the Huber Letter

by: Jill Richardson

Thu Feb 24, 2011 at 18:12:09 PM PST


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Earlier this week, I posted a letter that makes some pretty serious claims about problems with Roundup and/or Roundup Ready crops. As I made clear, this is preliminary research, so it's certainly not solid enough to believe as fact. The letter was sent to Tom Vilsack prior to the deregulation of GE alfalfa because the preliminary data was disturbing enough that the letter's author, Dr. Don Huber, felt the evidence we have in hand is enough to justify delaying the deregulation of GE alfalfa until we have more information.

Now there are some questions arising about the letter. A few people even suggested it is a hoax. So I will share what I know, along with my own perspective and knowledge on GMO safety, which will hopefully give you a barometer to determine whether or not you find me a credible source on this.

First of all, my close friend Judith McGeary, the person who first posted the letter online, personally confirmed with Dr. Huber that he did write the letter and send it to Tom Vilsack. So that much is not a hoax. However, many people are asking who is doing the study and where is the data they have thus far? And that information is not available publicly at the moment. Huber has not yet spoken to the media about his letter, although I believe he will in the near future.

The safe thing to do is to wait until the study is done and published in a journal, the data is public for review, and the researchers behind the study are known. For all we know, as the study continues, this preliminary conclusion will be disproved. Or perhaps the study will be completed, and then a peer reviewer will notice a major flaw in the study. That said, Huber's reputation is pretty solid and it seems that he felt there was enough credibility in the evidence he saw and enough urgency that he wrote this letter and made the issue public.

Personally, I usually disregard studies or claims that GMOs cause this disease or that. I am not a scientist, but I have common sense. I'll believe a claim about GMOs when a credible scientist - or, preferably, several - believes it. Internet rumors are just that.

I also don't believe that there is anything inherently dangerous about GMOs. Simply because something is genetically modified does not make it dangerous or harmful. But it DOES mean that we need to study the heck out of each GM variety of seed before we commercialize it and put it into the food supply. And we should do that because we know quite well by now that containment of a GMO is impossible. Once a GMO is out there, it's out there. If you screw up once, it's game over.

What's more, we need independent science on GMOs - and we do not have that. Not right now. And when scientists DO come forward with anything negative about GMOs, they are attacked. That needs to stop. Why would I believe Monsanto's word that its money-making product is safe anymore than I believe BP's word that its drilling won't cause an oil spill? Monsanto stands to gain a ton of money on each GMO they commercialize, and I have anecdotal evidence of intimidation of scientists by Monsanto from a trusted source. (I would need to get his permission to repeat what he said publicly to really make an accusation, so take my "anecdotal evidence" for what it's worth.)

Right now, I have no interest in eating something that has not had independent science performed by scientists who felt safe and secure to publish their findings without being attacked. Nor do I want to eat something that the biotech companies refuse to even label. If you're so proud of it, label it so I know I'm eating it.

What I do tend to believe are the very logical stories that come out about GMOs - if they come from a credible source. That is, it's easy to understand why Roundup Ready crops increase Roundup use. It's not terribly hard to imagine that Bt crops, which produce a insecticide in every cell, might kill insects (beyond just the targeted pest species). Nor is it a stretch to believe that Roundup resistant weeds are emerging and that farmers will need to spray a stronger, more toxic herbicide in addition to Roundup to get rid of them. Based on all of that, and given what I've read from scientists like Jack Heinemann, I think there is an awful lot of evidence that agroecology can accomplish what we are trying to accomplish with genetic engineering more successfully, with better impacts on the environment, and without as much risk.

So, given all that, do we believe the Huber letter? First of all, I do not think anyone should take it as more than it is: evidence of an alarming preliminary finding that merits more research. Nothing more. But Huber himself seems rock solid and very credible. If he thinks this is a big deal - as he put it, an "emergency" - then there's reason to believe it is. I'll be interested to hear what he has to say once he speaks out about this. And I'll keep an eye out for the finished study, once it's published.

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Thanks (4.00 / 2)
Judith and I spoke on the phone today, debating the merits of leaking preliminary study findings before the end of the study. Obviously nothing is conclusive til the study's done. But we both thought of examples of medical studies when it seemed that whatever was being studied was so detrimental to the health of the study participants that it was immoral to go on. Por ejemplo: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/new...

"I can understand someone from Iowa promoting corn and soy, but we are not feeding the world, we are feeding animals and soft drink companies." - Jim Goodman

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Yup (4.00 / 2)
What Jay said.

Two thumbs up.

Normal people scare me.... But not as much as I scare them.


umm err (4.00 / 2)
Jill, I understand that walking through a minefield requires great caution. You want to be careful, but you wrote some things that are needlessly diffident, I think.

we need independent science on GMOs - and we do not have that.

Huber's letter said big problems are appearing, specific etiology unknown. Could be related to the genetic modifications themselves, or it could be related to misuse of glyphosphate pesticide formulations which are enabled by the genetic modifications - side effects of the genetic modifications, in other words.

We don't have enough independent science, that's for sure, but the amount of published research surprised me when I checked Huber's publication list and the list of published research that cited his papers. That one thread of inquiry isn't exhaustive, but the size of the thread, and the titles of the papers therein, surprised me.

Nor is it a stretch to believe that Roundup resistant weeds are emerging and that farmers will need to spray a stronger, more toxic herbicide in addition to Roundup to get rid of them.

This is not about belief, it isn't ideological, no stretching required. Roundup-resistant and Roundup-tolerant weeds are proliferating worldwide and farmers are combating this with stronger, more toxic herbicide cocktails. Instructions for doing this are integral parts of the Roundup "labels", which actually are sizable booklets or brochures, not what we usually think of as labels.

I have anecdotal evidence of intimidation of scientists by Monsanto from a trusted source. (I would need to get his permission to repeat what he said publicly to really make an accusation, so take my "anecdotal evidence" for what it's worth.)

Fine, I accept what you wrote, but I would like to point out that this is not just about Monsanto. It also is about government agencies, universities, and companies that do research both here and in other countries. The public record is replete. Demotions, firings, and (in the memorable words of KentF) assigning people to count dust bunnies have been discussed in science podcasts and other public discussions, sometimes by the scientists themselves.

Huber himself seems rock solid and very credible

I agree, but I don't think this is about Huber himself. I might be wrong, but I had the impression that Huber wrote the letter because it was his job to write the letter because he is

APS Coordinator, USDA National Plant Disease Recovery System (NPDRS)

He is the voice of a community of concerned specialists and experts. Did you burrow through those APS links I provided in your previous diary? This is bigger than Huber.

Finally, I don't think we'll see "the study" or "the paper". I think the evidentiary basis of Huber's letter is from a number of research efforts, each of which will result in its own publications and each of which should be building blocks in a larger research structure.


specialists and experts (4.00 / 2)
More pointedly, a group of specialists and experts tasked by Homeland Security Presidential Directive Number 9 (HSPD-9) which was issued in February of 2004 to be concerned about this stuff.

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I didn't read all of the links (4.00 / 2)
in the last diary. And I need to look up what the word diffident means.

"I can understand someone from Iowa promoting corn and soy, but we are not feeding the world, we are feeding animals and soft drink companies." - Jim Goodman

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Hesitant, unsure... (4.00 / 2)
Antonym of confident.

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diffident (4.00 / 2)
You know what minefield means, and that's what is important.

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I'm muy sorry (4.00 / 2)
for not reading all of the comment threads. Kinda trying to do a million things @ once. Usually I read through the comments (caveat: not in pot luck threads unless Joanne posts cute baby animals) but that one was overwhelming!

"I can understand someone from Iowa promoting corn and soy, but we are not feeding the world, we are feeding animals and soft drink companies." - Jim Goodman

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killing messengers (4.00 / 2)
One of Heinemann's publications is titled Shooting the messenger of antibiotic resistance. Some of us moderns might have lost the origin of that term. Centuries and millennia ago, an elementary technique of ensuring secrecy was for the recipient of a secret to kill the person who carried the message. Such messengers had to be very highly motivated in those days.

Wow, Jill's diary on KOS is still on the recommended list (4.00 / 3)
It has gotten a lot of comment. Even though people are going after the letter, I haven't read anybody say, "Roundup is safe."  

Comments... (4.00 / 2)
Over the last few hours, a good number of the comments there have been from those suffering from a severe case of Jill Richardson Derangement Syndrome.

Including one in particular who's completely lost her shit, and is calling Jill every name in the book, from Jenny McCarthy to Alex Jones to Fox News.


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Names (4.00 / 2)
Who the heck is Jenny McCarthy?

Who the heck is Alex Jones?

Who the heck is News, Fox?

Hmm. I haven't looked at DKos for a couple of years, maybe I'll click over and see what's doing.


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Same old, same old... (4.00 / 1)
Nothing new, really.  Just the tired old gang of half a dozen or so over there doing their "you DFH you're stupid and don't know anything about science!" sputtering, spittle-flecked rage routine.

They're cute to watch for a while, but then they just get boring and sad.

Especially when half of them are too stupid to realize that their 'retort' to the diary is to say the exact same thing Jill said.  But it's not like they bothered to actually read her words.  Their m.o. is to look at the title, see Jill's name, and then go apeshit insane, trying to score high-fives and handslaps from each other with their self-congratulatory 'witticisms' and whatnot.


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scientists (4.00 / 1)
Funny ha ha aspect of the thread was the oft-repeated assertions that real scientists don't write like that!!!

Yeah, we do.

I fondly remember a recruitment letter I once received from the Chairman, Dartmouth Chemistry Department. Ungrammatical, missspellings, etc. And would you believe, the guy was a real scientist. Damned good one, too.


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Dr. Frist would be proud... (4.00 / 2)
Did you also happen to notice that half of them are armchair psychiatrists capable of diagnosing Huber's obvious 'dementia' from their keyboards?

A fantastic party trick, they surely must have studied under Dr. Frist...


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hahaha (4.00 / 2)
you're braver than me. I just haven't even gone into the comments over there. Not worth my time. I have stuff to do. Spent a lovely day in the garden. Planted onions, beets, and more favas, which seem to make a wonderful "chicken fence" so that's why I planted them. Also fashioned little rings of chicken wire to put around the strawberries and some of the beets. Not sure if it's going to be a mess once the plants get bigger and I have a hard time picking them bc of the chicken wire, but I'm hoping it at least deters the chickens so the plants can grow.  

"I can understand someone from Iowa promoting corn and soy, but we are not feeding the world, we are feeding animals and soft drink companies." - Jim Goodman

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Jill (4.00 / 2)
pull the chicken wire rings once a week and weed their footprint and the area inside them.

Then, when it comes time to harvest, at least you won't be fighting weeds growing up through your wire. With plants like peas and bush beans you'll have to have an inner trellis, but for things like onions that should work.

Normal people scare me.... But not as much as I scare them.


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Huber (4.00 / 2)
Huber chaired the NPDRS effort to develop a response to late corn wilt. The plan was published in 2008.

Recovery Plan For Late Wilt of Corn


Monsanto responds (4.00 / 2)
Monsanto noticed and responded.

Monsanto's response

Like Huber on the APS side of NPDRS, USDA has a coordinator on its side. (I don't know who the USDA coordinator is, is it Kent Smith?) How long will it be before the USDA coordinator speaks out on this?


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