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Should Food Stamps Pay for Soda? One Activist Says No

by: Jill Richardson

Tue Jan 18, 2011 at 21:15:31 PM PST


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Should food stamps (now called SNAP) pay for soda? That's not an easy question. Now, there are many easier questions to consider, like "Is soda good for you?" (No) and "Does soda have any place at all in a healthy diet?" (No) and even "Should people drink soda at all?" (Probably not, although some would argue that a small amount in moderation can't hurt... and then they'd probably call me the "food police" or a fascist)... but just because soda is bad for you, does that mean that our government should tell people they can't use their food stamps to buy pop?

Bob Waldrop, an activist in Oklahoma City, gives a very thoughtful answer to this question as he explains why he thinks food stamps should not pay for pop. You can see the original on his blog here and it is posted below with his permission.

Jill Richardson :: Should Food Stamps Pay for Soda? One Activist Says No
Soda Pop and Food Stamps

A discussion is going on at the COMFOOD listserv http://foodsecurity.org/list.html about current policy proposals to eliminate buying soda pop with SNAP benefits (formerly known as "food stamps").

One participant wrote:

Sticking with the structural racism toolbox, I believe restricting SNAP  would - regardless of the best intentions - result in less resources for hungry families and increased stigma associated with federal nutrition programs. That these outcomes would fall only on the poor (read minority, working-class) invites a claim of structural racism more than any press release from Feeding America.

This is my response (lightly edited to remove typos, a grammatical monstrosity or two, and to clarify a couple of points).

With all the respect and love I can muster. . . I have to say that I disagree with this paragraph. I am not interested in picking a fight, but this is an important issue and it will be in the news a lot and I think it should be discussed in the food security community.

Every month, I and a small group of volunteers deliver food to about 350 low income households here in Oklahoma City who have no household transportation and are thus at a disadvantage in accessing the local network of emergency food pantries. We get most of our food from the Regional Food Bank in Oklahoma City.

I also hold a certificate in permaculture design, and for ten years have moderated the Running on Empty2 discussion group, which has about 7400 subscribers and 70K+ messages in our archive, discussing energy issues from a peak oil perspective. Given that orientation, we also talk a lot about food. And I am one of the founders of the Oklahoma Food Coop, which was the first coop in the US to only sell locally produced food and non-food products.

I am very sympathetic to the "don't pick on the poor" argument, because that happens all the time. Over the last 50 years, an enormous amount of low income housing has been destroyed by eminent domain, and the use of that land converted for other purposes, and much of the low income housing has not been replaced. So less supply plus more demand equals higher prices than would be true if the low income housing had been left in place.  This isn't even the beginning of the sorrows of the poor in our society and the situation elsewhere is of course even worse. Unimaginably worse.

So my assumption is "picking on the poor" is always the default option for the powers that be.

We also pick on the planet a lot. When it doubt, put in a polluting factory to feed a gluttonous lifestyle that burns resources like they were available perpetually in unlimited mounts. Subsidize the chemical destruction  of our nation's agricultural patrimony. Subsidize bigness, penalize smallness, ignore the long term ecological consequences of your actions.

One permaculture principle that applies here I think is "do no harm".

And since perfection should never be allowed to become the enemy of the good, if we can't "do not harm", then we should try to "do less harm".

Anywhere, anyhow, anytime we can.

Those of us concerned about ecology, global climate change, peak oil and energy resources, peak finance and financial collapse, social injustice - and our common food security in the midst of all this turmoil - should jump on every opportunity to tweak the "invisible structures" that prescribe/dictate/coerce the patterns that make it so hard to do good, and so easy to do bad, in the direction of "do less harm".

Making it easy, cheap, and convenient for low income people to buy soft drinks does not do any favor to any low income person. Indeed, easy, cheap,and ubiquitous availability of instant gratification consumer items is a critical support for the powers that be (and this embraces political, economic, media, and cultural powers). It helps keep people anesthetized  and distracted so they don't cause any serious trouble for the established system.

It helps that there is a constant public information campaign linking soft drink consumption with all kinds of fun and glamor. They never show, for example, interviews with people coping with the consequences of not-well-controlled diabetes.

Everywhere we go, the government is subsidizing, and thus encouraging, actions that are destructive to both people and the planet.

How do soft drinks directly harm low income people? (1) Diabetes, (2) Obesity, (3) they substitute for more healthy and nutritious beverages, thus driving nutritional depletion, (4) the containers create a trash and litter problem everywhere, (5) tooth decay, (6) heart disease.

How do soft drinks harm the planet? The industry consumes vast amounts of resources - energy, metals, water, agricultural production, and it is an energy sink, nothing productive results. It is the economic, moral, and social equivalent of piling up gigantic inventories of bullets, bombs, and missiles, and every so often having wars that deplete your stockpiles so that they require more resources to refill your inventory. War also helps in that it destroys all kinds of stuff, kills off useless marginal eaters, and thus more money is required for corporations. (The previous sentence is from the viewpoint of the powers that be.) Soft drinks cause a large array of health problems, which require more resources to treat, feeding even more six figure salaries and unimaginable corporate profits. The industry commands vast economic resources. This toxic combination of resource depletion and economic distortion constitutes a massive misallocation of resources that effectively subsidizes environmental destruction.

All of the environmental harm caused by soft drinks should also be seen as an indirect harm on low income people.

It's not possible to legislatively deal with the soft drink situation (in general), but that doesn't mean that we shouldn't take what we can get. And reducing the amount of government resources subsidizing the soft drink industry, by perhaps as much as $4 BILLION /year, is not an insignificant gain for the good. Plus it hands an excellent pedagogic opportunity to the food security community and gives direct and indirect benefits to low income households.

Will some of this be replaced with cash purchases? Probably, but the food security community can be there with a massive public information campaign showing low income people how to make very tasty beverages in their own homes, from items they can buy with their SNAP benefit. Low income people are not stupid. Some of the best cooking smells I ever come across are in the hallways of low income apartments we visit. Sometimes I walk down the hall and my mouth salivates, I want to knock on doors and ask, "What are you cooking in there that smells so good?" Sometimes it is a door we are going to, and so I often ask what smells so good, and then comes the finding that it is cheap peasant food. Greens with a ham bone. Cornbread, neck bones, and beans, etc. Stuff you could pay a lot of money for at an upscale restaurant. Low income people will be perfectly able to cope with this, as long as the food security community is there for them with some good info.

Will some low income people get mad about this? Probably, but political awakening is not a bad thing.

Will it attach more "stigma" to the program? Well, I don't see how it is possible to attach any more stigma to the SNAP program than already is the case. Socially, this society "looks down" on people who receive such benefits, and it is often a matter of great hypocrisy since the ones picking at the specks in others eyes themselves posses gigantic I-beams protruding from their own eyes in the form of the many ways that government benefits them. Their many corporate welfares are economically beneficial, others economic benefits aren't (ignoring all the evidence to the contrary). If I could wave my magic fairy godfather's wand and change that I would, but I've tried that already and didn't work.

So I will settle for what amounts to a very rare thing - a decision by the government to do low income people a favor and stop subsidizing their soda pop habits. Government actions can have a pedagogic effect, and that would be an additional benefit of this change.

Thus, I see the present eligibility of soft drink purchases with SNAP benefits as itself a manifestation of structural racism. I see removing that subsidy as a matter of reducing one particular "invisible structure" in support of structural racism, environmental degradation, and lifestyle-driven health problems in our society.

Counting the benefits of this action:

(1) Ends the subsidy of one bad habit in low income communities.

(2) Ends the subsidy of some harm to the environment.

(3) Reduces the misallocation of resources in the soft drink industry.

(4) Provides an opportunity for public information and education.

(5) Sends a message to everyone, not just low income people, that soft drinks are bad for your health and bad for the environment.

(6) Stops one aspect of  government "picking on poor people".

(7) Creates a structural incentive for home food production (making  beverages rather than buying soft drinks).

(8) Ends one subsidy (political, social, economic) of structural racism, environmental degradation, and lifestyle-driven health problems.

(9) Some of the benefits for low income people are immediate, others accrue over time.

For my money, I think the one that the soft drink industry fears the most is #5.

And I for one am not going to fight for the right of anyone to buy beverages that are toxic to their personal health, toxic to the planet's health, and thus incredibly toxic for the future, with the taxpayers' dollars. I want policies and politics that care for people, care for the planet, and have a care for the future.

Ending the SNAP subsidy for soft drinks is one small step in that right direction.

For an excellent survey of the history of soda pop and the food stamp program, see Soda, Surplus, and Food Stamps: A Short History by Daniel Bowman Simon.

Bob Waldrop

Oscar Romero Catholic Worker House

Oklahoma City

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Comfood conversation... (0.00 / 0)
Can't keep up with it, it's going on even stronger now than yesterday or this morning.

I've been following that (4.00 / 1)
It's one of the more involved Comfood discussions I've followed. Lots of interesting points.

Normal people scare me.... But not as much as I scare them.

[ Parent ]
I have a simple reason (4.00 / 2)
food stamps should be for food.  

I see no problem restricting soda from foodstamps (4.00 / 1)
there are already some items that are regulated as foods that are not allowed to be purchased with food stamps. It's been a while since I started the process to qualify to receive SNAP payments from CSA members and others, but if memory serves, hot foods and anything that can be eaten in the store (think going to the deli counter and buying a ready to eat food), although, some restaurants can qualify to take SNAP payments for low income and homeless people.

The whole thing can be somewhat complicated from a retailer's point of view -

Gift baskets that contain both food and non-food items, are not eligible for purchase with SNAP benefits if the value of the non-food items exceeds 50 percent of the purchase price.

From USDA's eligable food items page for SNAP.

On the other hand, a SNAP recipient could use their benefits to buy seeds and plants to produce edible crops from me if I qualified as a vendor.

They can also use benefits to buy birthday cakes, as long as the non edible items don't come to more than 50% of the purchase value of the cake.

Normal people scare me.... But not as much as I scare them.


[ Parent ]
My point was that soda is not food (0.00 / 0)


[ Parent ]
You may not view soda as a food (0.00 / 0)
but it is regulated as a food. Just try to manufacture soda and sell it without the appropriate permits/licenses and inspections.

Hey, I'd love for the government to not classify soda as a food. Then I could make all sorts of sodas and sell them without having to have all of those afore mentioned licenses and inspections.

Normal people scare me.... But not as much as I scare them.


[ Parent ]
In fact as I found out last year when I inquired about it (0.00 / 0)
vineagar is a food also. At least according to our regulators on the state and federal levels. As is beer, wine and distilled spirits.

However, one is not allowed to buy spirits, wines or beer with SNAP benefits, but you can buy vinegar.

On the other hand, as my reply to your comment pointed out, items that I wouldn't consider food (such as radish seed) can be purchased with SNAP benefits because the seed can be used to grow food.

My reply to your comment was more about the interesting conundrums as far as what can be purchased with SNAP benefits, and what can't, vs what is regulated as a food and what isn't as far as the federal government is concerned.

Lots of contradictions there depending on one's point of view vis a vis what is 'food' vs what is 'not food'.

Normal people scare me.... But not as much as I scare them.


[ Parent ]
I don't think soda is classified as food in my state (4.00 / 1)
There is no tax on food here and there is tax on soda.  

[ Parent ]
SNAP qualifying products are determined (0.00 / 0)
by USDA's definition of food. Because the program is a federal program, it's USDA that defines soda as a food, although I think soda is regulated (on the federal level) by FDA?

It can all get very confusing.

The food stamp program may be administered by your state, but I think that because it's funded at the federal level, it's the fed that decides what's a food and what's not?

As an interesting aside, while the food itself can be paid for with SNAP benefits, if there is a sales tax, that has to be paid for out of the recipient's own pocket from non SNAP funds, if I understand the info I got correctly. So, if the customer used the SNAP benefit to buy the soda, they have to pay the sales tax on the soda out of their own pocket.

Like I say, it's been a year since I started the process, but that's how I remember the info I got on it.

I really do need to go back and start that process again. You have to sign up for a USDA account and if you don't complete the process in a certain ammount of time you get kicked out of the system. I started the process just before my dad died, and then I got busy taking care of the estate, and running the business for the farm, and I didn't finish the process. Filling out the paperwork, and completing the process is really something I should do now before things pick up in the spring.

Normal people scare me.... But not as much as I scare them.


[ Parent ]
So what do you mean by 'Whatever'? (0.00 / 0)

So you don't believe that SNAP is a federally funded program so the feds get to decide what gets classified as food and not you?

Your state may charge a sales tax on soda, and that makes you think that it's not a 'food'. But I'll bet you that your state regulates soda manufacturers as food producers, with inspections, fees, permits, licenses, etc.. That's what makes it a food. Because, inspite of the sales tax, in spite of what you'd like to think, soda is a food, your state considers soda a food, and so too, does the federal government, like it or not.

Normal people scare me.... But not as much as I scare them.


[ Parent ]
Out of curiosity - and this is an off the wall question, (4.00 / 1)
Do you thing that SNAP recipients should be allowed to use their benefits to purchase tomato plants and radish seed?

Generally tomato plants and radish seed are accepted to not be 'food', although if harvested and prepared properly tomato leaves can be consumed, and radish seed is edible.

Disclaimer -
The question was intended only to further discussion and exploration of what SNAP benefits' purchases might be appropriate and what might not be appropriate, and what is considered food and what is not considered food. It was not meant to inflame or hurt anyone's feelings.

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[ Parent ]
I think so (4.00 / 1)
You might not eat your tomato vine but I would hope that you'd use it to grow highly edible tomatoes, right?

"I can understand someone from Iowa promoting corn and soy, but we are not feeding the world, we are feeding animals and soft drink companies." - Jim Goodman

[ Parent ]
I agree with you (0.00 / 0)
and, while it may seem counter intuitive on the surface, it really makes sense if the person buying the plants and/or seed follows through. Consider how much produce a $2 packet of tomato seed will get you. Way more bang for the buck to feed SNAP recipients than just buying a tomato at the store.

Instead of buying 2 lbs of tomatoes at the store, you buy enough seed to provide yourself with up to 100 pounds or more of tomatoes. Which one makes more buying sense?

I'm voting for the packet of seed....

Normal people scare me.... But not as much as I scare them.


[ Parent ]
nys regs (4.00 / 1)
i really am not sure if it's nation-wide, but if the market where you buy your bedding plants and fruit trees accepts the card then you ARE able to purchase veggie plants, fruit trees, seeds, etc.(at least here in nystate)  the catch is that the shop has to accept the card.  it's a process which used to be grueling, filling out the forms and such to get the machinery used to process the ebt cards. now, with even the gas station accepting the cards, it may be easier for a seasonal fruit stand/garden market to apply and get permission to accept  the ebt card. ask ask ask.. if enough shoppers ask the market, maybe they'll try a run. it's the technical aspect which is a pain in the butt.  

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Now, if I understand the regs right (0.00 / 0)
if you can accept credit/debit cards (that is you have a POS device), and you've done the paperwork to accept payments through SNAP, you can process an EBT card.

One of the reasons I started the process to qualify to accept payments from SNAP was that I was going to get a POS device so my other customers could pay via credit/debit card.  

Normal people scare me.... But not as much as I scare them.


[ Parent ]
from my past experience, yes (0.00 / 0)
once you have that processing device, most of them can be programmed to use all "debit/credit" cards including ebt. having watched this ebt thing grow over the last decade or so, i can pretty much state, without question, that the usda is determined to increase their allowance of crap food in the food stamp program. case in point: gas stations now accept ebt. the facility just has to show they have a certain percentage of edible food items for sale.  a very sad situation for rural areas, as most people shop and get gas at these by the roadside quick-stops. it will certainly not help the obesity and diabetes situations for the rural poor.

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I wonder about the gas stations accepting EBT cards (0.00 / 0)
it's not just edible items. According to USDA, an item can't be purchased with a SNAP benefits if it can be eaten in the store. Now, I don't know exactly how they define that - can you buy a sandwich out of the deli case, but not a burrito out of the hot display?

It gets complicated for a store to accept SNAP EBT cards. Qualifying items have to be kept seperate from non qualifying items, I think they have to be rung up differently or at least they have to be kept seperate in the payment phase of checkout. One more reason for those bar codes that are ubiquitous. For instance, as I've noted in other comments, if someone is buying soda, if I remember the training materials correctly, the store or vendor can accept SNAP funds for the soda, but not for the deposit or sales tax. Same thing if a person is checking out and they have, say, fruits and vegetables in the cart as well as toilet paper. You gotta keep those purchases seperate.

Also, remember that EBT cards are used for different programs. If the card is one for welfare payments, and it's for a cash payment, then those people can use that particular EBT card at an ATM just as you or I would our debit cards for our bank accounts. I hear people calling the talk shows claiming to have witnessed people using EBT cards to buy cigarettes, etc.. I have to wonder if they were seeing someone use an EBT card for a program other than SNAP or even WIC.

Next time I see one of my checker friends at the store, if I have the chance, I'll have to ask her how they handle that. I'm going to need to know, as I'm still planning on filling out the paperwork, and I sell things that qualify and things that don't.  

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[ Parent ]
when we accepted them for the deli part of the store (0.00 / 0)
we could allow for the sale of hot soup, sandwiches etc, pre-made and packaged to go. they could not be eaten on premises. and that soda thing; yeah we rang it up as grocery and the tax went on a cash sale. the machines...  i forget if you could separate the non-ebt and ebt on one process.
the good thing about the ebt cards is that we were able to sell GOOD FOOD to those who wouldn't necessarily afford it. the hassle for me was the damn charges the banks levied... outrageous and heavy. be sure to shop around for a decent processor for your nurit machine. it can joggle depending on where you are. if you pick the wrong processor, you are taken to the cleaners in fees...and you'll wonder why you even chose to accept ebt cards.  it's a tough call really.
(we always just rang things out as grocery sometimes, too. but we didn't use a POS)

a.
 

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[ Parent ]
Thanks for that it's good to know (0.00 / 0)
I figured it would need some juggling. I downloaded the spread sheed for what's allowed and what's not.

I was suprised to find that arrows (for game hunting) were allowed (in rural Alaska only). Then I thought about seed for food producing plants. Arrows in rural Alaska are kind of like that as they would be used (if used properly) to provide food for those people. If you're living in the outback of Alaska, you're subsistence hunting and those arrows (theoretically) are being used to provide food for your larder.

Normal people scare me.... But not as much as I scare them.


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