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WE GOT OUR CHICKENS!

by: Jill Richardson

Tue Dec 07, 2010 at 16:13:54 PM PST


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We did it. We got our chickens. Four buff orpington "pullets" (i.e. birds that we hope are female but are too young to lay eggs yet). I went to a local farm to get them this Sunday. And no, they aren't legal. The city has known for a year that I want to have a small number of hens for eggs and that I don't want to break the law. They have not changed the law. And I'm not waiting any longer.


Chickens, one of whom has a dirty beak


Time to look for bugs!

Jill Richardson :: WE GOT OUR CHICKENS!
We made a makeshift coop from a roll of chicken wire and some wooden posts, plus a long flat board we had lying around. I could not have done it myself - thank goodness my room mate helped. (He has muscles; I don't.)


The coop

I'm sure the coop would have been easier to make and a bit neater too if it wasn't around this tree, but so far as I can tell, the chickens REALLY LIKE the area under these three trees here, with all of the shade and dead leaves and, thus, opportunities to hunt for bugs. When we fostered a few chickens several months ago, this was the part of our yard those chickens liked the most.

As you can see, I got food and water containers at a nearby feed store ($14 total, I think), and I picked up organic chicken feed for $.79/lb. I also spent $12 or so on a bale of straw to use for bedding. The chickens themselves were $10 each, which seems about right, considering that they are from a small farm and not a hatchery. There was no attempt to sex the birds, but the farmer has promised to exchange them if they turn out to be roosters.

Sunday, I brought the girls home in a big box, and put them in their coop. They seem very happy. They get fed lots of kitchen scraps - bread crusts from the kids' sandwiches, apple cores, carrot tops, leftover oatmeal - and they spend their days eating grass and hunting for bugs. Nearly immediately, one found (and ate) a big fat slug. I was so happy! I've been finding and killing slugs every now and again for a year now, and now they chickens will take care of them for me and turn them into fertilizer and eggs.

I would have preferred to get chickens of various breeds to make it easier to name them and tell them apart, but the farm we got them from has only a handful of breeds, and buff orps were the only ones they had that were among the ones we wanted. Most important to me was that we were getting our birds from a local farm instead of through the mail from a hatchery, and that the farm had handled them a lot so that they wouldn't mind the kids petting them and holding them.

Yesterday, I picked up each of my room mate's kids from school and told them we had a surprise. Neither one had any guesses what that might be. I told the preschooler that the surprise was outside and she guessed "Is it a plant?" I asked if that would be a good surprise and she said no. I said it was a good surprise. Both kids loved the chickens.

Today, my room mate's older daughter brought a few friends over, and they took turns feeding, petting, and holding the chickens. The birds were incredibly good natured it. All in all, the chickens are a huge hit! Right now I've got them loose in the yard, out of their coop because the way I see it, we've got an entire yard FULL of weeds that they should be eating.

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I think Portland slugs... (4.00 / 3)
...are big enough that they eat chickens.

;)

I swear, one night one knocked on my door and asked to use the phone.  Told me his car died and he needed a tow.  I'm 94% sure I am not just imagining that.

Looking forward to hearing how things go!


I forgot one pic (4.00 / 3)
The predator:

Molly likes the chickens too. So does Bernie the dog.

"I can understand someone from Iowa promoting corn and soy, but we are not feeding the world, we are feeding animals and soft drink companies." - Jim Goodman


Congrats on the hens! (4.00 / 4)
One hint as to sexing at this age - small combs are a good indicator of pullets and not cockerels.

Normal people scare me.... But not as much as I scare them.

Really? (4.00 / 3)
We've got one with a larger comb than the others, and that one is also bigger than the others. But I don't know for sure that they were all born together so there's a chance the large one is slightly older and is bigger for that reason.

"I can understand someone from Iowa promoting corn and soy, but we are not feeding the world, we are feeding animals and soft drink companies." - Jim Goodman

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Yep (4.00 / 3)
If the birds are different ages then you'll have to wait and see.

You can also tell from the tail feathers, but they have to be fairly old, maybe 4-5 months, up to 6-7 months old to tell from those depending on the breed, and some roos don't have big long fancy tail feathers anyway.

I've been watching my birds out here and I have a few that are 7-8 months old that I'm still not sure if they are roos or not. I've been watching the young birds I know are roos and comparing them to the young hens. I've been cataloging the differences in carriage, behavior, body type, attitude, etc.. I've noticed that the young roos have a generally more upright carriage than the hens and pullets, are a bit more flighty and foreward behaviorally and are more interested in things in general/are more busy than the hens. It's all very subtle with the birds, and of course I have hens that fit those descriptions too, especially the leghorns and California whites.

Normal people scare me.... But not as much as I scare them.


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Many congratulations... (4.00 / 4)
...Jill! Buff Orphingtons are terrific birds. One tip on chicken treats -- they absolutely LOVE curdled milk. So, if you have some that goes awry, just give it to the birds!

Enjoy -- you're going to have a blast, and the best omelets ever. :)


curdled milk? no way! (4.00 / 3)
I'm sure we'll be able to come up with some of that.

"I can understand someone from Iowa promoting corn and soy, but we are not feeding the world, we are feeding animals and soft drink companies." - Jim Goodman

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Well, what do ya know (4.00 / 4)
One door closes, another is open. I think Orpingtons are about the mellowest hens there are. You'll soon be able to tell them apart because they all have unique personalities.

Have you ever heard of the Chicken Whisperer? He's got an internet radio show about chickens and also is very active with city legalization issues.

have fun with them!


send 'em up here (4.00 / 3)
Nearly immediately, one found (and ate) a big fat slug.

when you need a vacation. I gots slugs :P

nice looking hens, congrats!


They're lovely chickens (4.00 / 2)
All kidding aside about the cat, I hope you will be getting them more secure digs very soon.

I'm sure you have opossums (we had huge ones in Pasadena), and they will have no trouble extracting snacks from an arrangement like that. You may have raccoons also, or skunks.

I don't want to see any sad updates - and the girls sure don't want to see the carnage either.


As it was, he did a deal with a blancmange, and the blancmange ate his wife.


we have a possum (4.00 / 2)
really? a possum can get into this? it's all chicken wire and the possum would have to untwist the wire to get inside. It's not even easy for me to do some of the time. well, that is, unless the possum got in near the tree, or if it got under the wire somehow...

Patrick (room mate) wants a better coop. Like an expensivey store bought thing that I don't have money for (yet). I'll have money soon but not yet. But I'd rather not buy an expensive coop unless it's absolutely necessary.

"I can understand someone from Iowa promoting corn and soy, but we are not feeding the world, we are feeding animals and soft drink companies." - Jim Goodman


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chicken wire (4.00 / 2)
perhaps cover the wire, which looks pretty sturdy, with smaller mesh wire (1/2 inch holes)? I'm always impressed at how small a hole a seemingly large animal can get through.

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definitely (4.00 / 3)
any animal could scratch under the edge and sneak up into the coop.

this seems to be safe from arial predators like hawks but when your free ranging them, hawks have free access.

neighborhood dogs are well known chicken predators too.

i cant remember where you live, if you get winter this would not be a humane coop in really cold weather.

the space you have marked off by garden pavers (meaning the dirt area where the chickens are now) would make a nice chicken domain. build chicken housing along the back wall (enclosed like with plywood - maybe a bit bigger than nest boxes) and then build a large box like aviary out to the edge of the path.

you would need to dig a trench along the edge of the path to sink your fencing to create a barrier that predators find confusing. a proper sunk fence would dig a wide trench and have a foot or two bent horizontal before it then goes straight up as part of the fence... the horizontal part is buried. that will stop dogs and other diggers.

here is a link to what i mean - http://www.thegardencoop.com/b...

that blog shows a coop that would be perfect for your location

this is our coop for our flock - http://www.flickr.com/photos/n...

ours will be different than yours because we get stretches of -20F for weeks on end and the rest of winter is damn cold too.

Our buff orps are great girls - the boys turn into quite beautiful roosters - quite large.


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thanks (4.00 / 2)
A friend has offered to help us build a better coop. I will say, however, that we're in San Diego so our girls won't have bad weather to worry about.

"I can understand someone from Iowa promoting corn and soy, but we are not feeding the world, we are feeding animals and soft drink companies." - Jim Goodman

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Chicken wire is not predator proof (4.00 / 3)
against possums, skunks, or raccoons, if they try for it. They can, in fact, rip through it.

The heavier field fence that you have is strong enough, but they can go under, and I suspect they could also get your plywood off. Because the enclosure is small, they can also reach through and injure the hens that way.

There are lots of resources online that talk about predator-proofing. And lots of ideas for inexpensive coops.

One simple thing that would help would be to give them at least three sides of solid walls somewhere, even inside the wire. Predators are less likely to go after a meal they can't see, and the chickens would be able to huddle against the solid barrier.

As it was, he did a deal with a blancmange, and the blancmange ate his wife.


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Elfling's right about reaching through wire (4.00 / 3)
I've had birds killed while they were up next to the wire and then pulled through a piece at a time and eaten. That was through 2"X4" woven wire.

I suspicion that it's mostly racoons that do this, they're very good with their front paws. Where you're located, in an urban area, your racoon population is probably higher per acre than in the country. So you'll want to keep a weather eye out for those.

Also, rats can fit their body through anything that their head can fit through, and they can be as dangerous to chickens as larger predators, in some cases they can be even more dangerous as they can work in numbers, overwhelming a larger animal if they get the chance and are of a mind to dine on chicken.

Always keep in mind that predators only see your hens as a potential meal. There are no ownership or territory issues with a predator. As far as they are concerned, everything belongs to them anyway.

Bernie the dog can be your ally in protecting the hens. With him around they are more likely to be somewhat warry of the yard and coop, although this is by no means a garantee of protection unless Bernie is sleeping outdoors at night.

Normal people scare me.... But not as much as I scare them.


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The chicken wire works pretty well against rats (4.00 / 3)
that paired with the heavier wire, or just sucking it up and going to hardware cloth, seem to be the solutions.

The rats will also dig under. They may not bother the chickens, but if you ever find your feeder completely empty, it means that rats or mice are visiting. Chickens will not clean every last scrap.

As it was, he did a deal with a blancmange, and the blancmange ate his wife.


[ Parent ]
sig line (4.00 / 1)
Finally, I looked up your sig line.

a Monty Python transcript

Policeman: Oh, now this is where Mr Podgorny could have saved his wife's life. If he'd gone to the police and told them that he'd been approached by unearthly beings from the Galaxy of Andromeda, we'd have sent a man round to investigate. As it was he did a deal with a blancmange, and the blancmange ate his wife. So if you're going out, or going on holiday, or anything strange happens involving other galaxies, just nip round to your local police station, and tell the sergeant on duty - or his wife - of your suspicions. And the same goes for dogs. So I'm sorry to have interrupted your exciting science fiction story ... but, then, crime's our business you know. So carry on viewing, and my thanks to the BBC for allowing me to have this little chat with you. Goodnight. God bless, look after yourselves.

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Very appropriate for food politics, don't you think? (4.00 / 3)
For years I had no idea what a "blummauge" was, never heard the word, didn't know the spelling. Thanks to captioning, I was able to look it up and find out it was a pudding. Apparently a giant, white, man-eating pudding.

Kilts also figure prominently.

Mrs Podgorny: (narrowing eyes) Not really a man?

Angus: (sweating as the music rises) He was as strange a thing as ever I saw, or ever I hope to see, God willing. He was a strange unearthly creature - a quivering, glistening mass...

Mrs Podgorny: Angus Podgorny, what do y'mean?

Angus: He wasna so much a man as... a blancmange!

(Jarring chord.)

(Police station: a police sergeant is talking ova the counter to a girl dressed in a short frilly tennis dress. She holds a racquet and tennis balls.)

Sergeant: A blancmange, eh?

Girl: Yes, that's fight. I was just having a game of doubles with Sandra and Jocasta, Alec and David...

Sergeant: Hang on!

Girl: What?

Sergeant: There's five.

Girl: What?

Sergeant: Five people . . . how do you play doubles with five people?

Girl: Ah, well ... we were...

Sergeant: Sounds a bit funny if you ask me ... playing doubles with five people...

Girl: Well we often play like that... Jocasta plays on the side receiving service...

Sergeant: Oh yes?

Girl: Yes. It helps to speed the game up and make it a lot faster, and it means Jocasta isn't left out.

Sergeant: Look, are you asking me to believe that the five of you was playing doubles, when on the very next court there was a blancmange playing by itself?.

Girl: That's right, yes.

Sergeant: Well answer me this then - why didn't Jocasta play the blancmange at singles, while you and Sandra and Alec and David had a proper game of doubles with four people?



As it was, he did a deal with a blancmange, and the blancmange ate his wife.

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thanks so much (4.00 / 2)
we'll get a better coop. I've seen a rat around, and I know we have a possum. Bernie the dog won't be of much help. He's got a dog door but I keep it closed so the cats can't go out.

"I can understand someone from Iowa promoting corn and soy, but we are not feeding the world, we are feeding animals and soft drink companies." - Jim Goodman

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Your dog door being closed to keep the cats in (4.00 / 3)
reminds me of when Harold wanted to put a pet door in the door out to the back porch. I wouldn't let him because I was worried that the chickens would come inside the house. Having watched how they manipulate the gate on the back porch, I'm sure they would have learned how to use a pet door to get in the house for some tasty cat food.

Normal people scare me.... But not as much as I scare them.

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Great looking Flock! (0.00 / 0)
I hope you can continue to wake the sleeping about the benefits of local nutrition and economics.  I just posted an article that speaks about both here:

http://country-physician.blogs...

Great Job!


Ken (4.00 / 1)
I can't tell if you're legitimate or a spammer. If you continue to plug your blog in every comment you make, I'm going to ban you. And if you aren't a spammer, then I am really, really sorry and I apologize. This site has a big spam problem and many of the spammers show up and comment and leave links to their sites like this.

"I can understand someone from Iowa promoting corn and soy, but we are not feeding the world, we are feeding animals and soft drink companies." - Jim Goodman

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