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Smoked Frankenfish May Not Wind Up On Any Bagels Soon*

by: Jill Richardson

Thu Sep 23, 2010 at 14:06:35 PM PDT


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*But if and when it does, it probably won't be labeled.

That's the latest. I recommend checking out Marion Nestle's piece The GM Salmon Saga Continues. First, the FDA will offer a 30-day comment period on the Environmental Assessment of the salmon (see more on the EA at the link). After that, they will issue a Finding of No Significant Impact or an Environmental Impact Statement. Those findings will result in a decision on whether or not they approve the salmon. The FDA is not giving any sort of timeline on when they will do this, although legally the timeframe is typically 180 days after the New Animal Drug application was submitted. Once the fish is approved, it will take 2 years to come to market.

The VMAC committee that met this past week apparently told the FDA it didn't have enough data to make a decision yet (which sounds about right, based on the actual data submitted to them). But in the meeting Tuesday about labeling, pretty much no one was for mandatory labeling. Apparently Greg Jaffe of CSPI wants AquaBounty to provide voluntary labels that say something like "AquaBounty salmon," "fast-growing salmon" or "environmentally friendly salmon." What?! Environmentally friendly? And Fox News is fair and balanced.

Last, but not least, the CEO of AquaBounty said he doesn't plan to confine production to Panama, hoping to open other operations in other countries, including the U.S. Fortunately, THIS approval process is ONLY for Panama, so he'd have to go through the whole legal process again before he could set up shop anywhere else.

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repeating the process? (4.00 / 2)
AquaBounty would not need to repeat this process unless meat was destined for the U.S. market. Even then, FDA said in the briefing packet that changed circumstances might trigger a renewal of the process.

Oh right (4.00 / 2)
good call. If the future planned locations don't send any fish for sale to the U.S. then I guess it's all up to whatever country they are selling to. But remember that salmon's the 3rd most popular fish in the U.S. after shrimp and canned tuna... we eat a lot of it.

"I can understand someone from Iowa promoting corn and soy, but we are not feeding the world, we are feeding animals and soft drink companies." - Jim Goodman

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environmental impact (4.00 / 2)
As Jill wrote previously, people might as well submit comments as long as there's a comment period, but I think this is an irrelevant charade. I think FDA only looked (cursorily) at environmental/ecological issues because they were forced to do so by President Carter's executive order, which has not been canceled. The team that visited the Panama factory seemed never to have seen a wild fish. They described a stream that passes near the facility (into which plant effluent would discharge), and said it was poor habitat for fish - it sounded to me like a perfect stream for trout and salmon.

FDA has no authority to change, implement, or enforce the environmental laws and regulations of either Canada or Panama. I have serious doubts as to whether the agency will give much weight to the environmental assessment, whatever the evaluation may be. I think the main reason AquaBounty intends to grow the fish in Panama is that, if they wanted to site the factory in the U.S., they would face meaningful regulations that could not be ignored.

Go ahead, FDA, prove me wrong.


One other thing here (4.00 / 2)
the comprehensiveness of the EA totally ignores SO MUCH. For example, what diseases might the fish get and then pass on into the waterways of Panama, and could those diseases affect local fish? What about antibiotics used? Will those breed antibiotic-resistant disease? And will the antibiotics get dumped into Panama's waterways?

Or, how does fish farming impact energy usage? Wild fish stocks? etc. These are carnivores, fed upon wild-caught fish. What impact will catching those fish to feed them to farmed fish have on the environment?

THAT is NOT what people are talking about. In fact, when they do mention it, they do so only as a comparison to conventional non-GE farmed Atlantic salmon, which are themselves a toxic nightmare... they are saying that since this is a somewhat less toxic nightmare (since the fish grow faster and eat less food in the courses of their lives) therefore it's "environmentally-friendly"... and I am NOT buying that.

"I can understand someone from Iowa promoting corn and soy, but we are not feeding the world, we are feeding animals and soft drink companies." - Jim Goodman


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eating less food (4.00 / 2)
I've wondered about that. Do you have substantiation? Does information released by FDA support that?

Fish with the same food conversion efficiency as non-GE farmed fish would eat the same amount of food to reach the same target weight, they would just eat it faster. Far as I know, improved conversion efficiency was not part of AquaBounty's design effort, and I'm not aware that they claim improved efficiency. Do they make that claim?

I'd like to know the conversion efficiency compared to non-GE fish. It might actually be worse, unless there is information to the contrary.


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As far as I know (4.00 / 2)
when a living being eats food, some is expended as energy and released is heat, while the rest is stored to grow the organism's body. So I guess that even though it takes the same amt of food to grow the fish's body, since it's done in less time, less is released as heat and wasted?

"I can understand someone from Iowa promoting corn and soy, but we are not feeding the world, we are feeding animals and soft drink companies." - Jim Goodman

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Heat (4.00 / 1)
Fish don't use energy to maintain body temperature, do they? Aren't they cold blooded?

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Fish can be endothermic or ectothermic (4.00 / 2)
I think salmon are ectothermic, getting their heat from the surrounding water. Some fish generate their own body heat and are endothermic (mackerel sharks, tuna, etc.) but in the case of tuna are poikilothermic, meaning that while they generate internal heat, they don't maintain a specific constant internal temp, but rather maintain an internal temp that is a certain ammount higher than the surrounding water.

A Quick Course in Ichthyology has a section on thermal regulation in fish down toward the end of the page.

Normal people scare me.... But not as much as I scare them.


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poikilo thermic (4.00 / 1)
I've never heard of poikilothermic, but

Fish Thermal Regulation

However, the British physician John Davy noticed in 1835 that skipjack tuna caught for food were 10°C warmer than the water in which they were caught.

That's more than 200 years after the British physician William Harvey explained the basics of blood circulation.

A translation of reta mirabile is miracle network or miraculous web. I guess so - that is a very sophisticated mechanism.

Searching for salmon thermoregulation shows you're correct about salmon. Coldblooded animals take heat from or give heat to the environment, so Jill is correct about the fate of waste heat generated by activity, for example, but I still doubt that the GE fish are more efficient or environmentally friendly. A one-year mutant fish would generate waste heat at about twice the time rate of a one-year fish half its size, so I'm guessing the mutant fish generates about the same amount of waste heat by the time it is harvested as a non-GE fish.


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gobbledegook (4.00 / 2)
Via Nestle:

[Jaffe] agreed that "no ingredients from a genetically engineered source" would be acceptable language provided there's a comparable GE product in the marketplace.

WTF? That is incomprehensible, not to mention unbelievable.


Ugh! (4.00 / 2)
Stuf like this makes you wanna give up!
The FDA, which has been under intense pressure from GM interests to approve the modified salmon without requiring any labeling, stated that it could not require a label on the salmon because the agency determined that the altered fish are not "materially different" from other salmon. Apparently, the agency is using even the same, and even flimsier, justifications to force food companies to hide the truth if their products are GM/GMO free - much to the delight of the multi-billion dollar GM industries.


"If a man is as wise as a serpent, he can afford to be as harmless as a dove" Cheyenne

Declaring my dumbness again . . . (4.00 / 2)
The FDA is not giving any sort of timeline on when they will do this, although legally the timeframe is typically 180 days after the New Animal Drug application was submitted.

since when have we started running food for human consumption approvals under "Animal Drug"? Would you like a side of potatoes with your Baytril?


Since that became... (4.00 / 1)
...the easiest way to make end-runs around the spirit of the law?

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