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Marion Nestle's Feed Your Pet Right

by: Jill Richardson

Wed Aug 18, 2010 at 10:39:50 AM PDT


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I'll admit it. If there's such a thing as a Marion Nestle groupie, then I am one. I was absolutely thrilled when Alternet asked me to do an article and interview with Marion Nestle about her new book (together with Malden C. Nesheim), Feed Your Pet Right. In my article, I called it a new kind of expose, one that tells shockingly good news. More below.

UPDATE: Just a thought... I'm getting skewered in the comments over at Alternet (which I totally don't mind) but I thought an additional explanation would help clear things up. The attitude the book takes about commercial pet foods is based on the fact that no matter which complete-and-balanced food you choose, your pet will be nourished properly and won't develop a disease from nutrient deficiencies. Obviously, there's a difference between slaughterhouse waste of factory farmed animals and local, humane, ethical meat, just like there's a difference in the factory farmed meat humans eat and the stuff you get from your local farmer. And, obviously, the local, organic, humane, ethical stuff is always better. But at least, with commercial pet food, pets aren't suffering from diet-related illnesses on a massive scale, other than perhaps repercussions of eating too much and exercising too little. And a relatively ignorant pet owner won't have a hard time grabbing a bag off the shelf at the grocery store and feeding their pet a diet that won't kill them.

Jill Richardson :: Marion Nestle's Feed Your Pet Right
Prior to reading Feed Your Pet Right, I must admit, I had little information about the food I feed my three cats. I had read quite a bit about the rendering industry, which renders slaughterhouse waste along with euthanized pets and roadkill, and I feared that all of it went into my cats' food. Kind of like a cartoon I've seen that showed "Grade F Meat" which was labeled "Mostly circus animals, some filler." So the first bit of good news was this: Dead pets aren't fed to pets. Phew. (Dead pets are made into fertilizer. Still a gross thought but at least I'm not feeding them to my cats.)

Over the years, I've bought several kinds of food for my cats, but mostly I buy them Science Diet Hairball Formula. And I had NO idea that the company that makes it is actually Colgate-Palmolive until I read Marion Nestle's book. I don't know how I settled upon Science Diet... certainly not because I believe it's a great brand or a great food for my girls. We've tried Pet Guard, Evo, and several other varieties, but they like Science Diet best. And one of my three kitties throws up if I take her off of the hairball formula.

One thing that drove my choices, silly as it may seem, is that I was NOT about to buy the cheapest food (like Meow Mix or whatever) for my girls. I love my girls - why would I get them the cheapest stuff out there? Turns out, I was merely getting played by marketers. There's very little difference in the ingredients or quality between most "complete-and-balanced" pet foods. The difference is, pretty much, all marketing.

There are, however, a few notable exceptions. Hair ball formulas are either formulated to make the food pass through the cat quicker or they have some kind of lubricating ingredient to make everything pass through the cat easier. And it does seem that one of my cats needs this. Otherwise most of what goes down her comes up again. Not that it would go to waste - the dog would gladly eat it - but I want the cat food to feed the cat, not my boyfriend's dog.

My boyfriend, on the other hand, does buy the cheapest food for his dog. The dog's food comes in bulk, without a brand name, from god knows where. (Seriously, like a step up from a dollar store, I think.) And, as long as the dog's food is complete-and-balanced, my boyfriend is probably doing the right thing. However, there are ways to make dog food so that the dog poops less. A LOT less. Now, my boyfriend doesn't mind cleaning up his dog's poop - but I mind having it all over the yard. If I had so much money at my disposal that I could afford such a luxury, I would gladly invest in a dog food that minimizes what comes out the other end of the dog.

There was another major revelation for me in Feed Your Pet Right. Does anyone else remember Pet Promise? This brand was discontinued in the past year, but I used to buy it, alternating with Science Diet. The slogan was "Let Byproducts Be Bygones." As Nestle's book noted, that was a total myth. They still included byproducts, but they avoided using the word "byproducts" on the ingredients list because they named the specific organs included in the food.

Marketing aside, Pet Promise was actually a pretty great food. It was founded initially by ranchers who raised bison and needed a way to dispose of the parts of the animals people don't eat. After everything this book said about them, I'm still very happy that I fed it to my pets. I just wish it was still around.

Several years ago, Nestle (the company, not the author) bought Pet Promise, although you'd never know it from the Pet Promise website. That ticked me off. I would like to know where my money is going. Especially in the case of a company like Nestle, which I typically refuse to buy from. (Pet food might be an exception to that rule, because in many cases your options are buying from one nasty company or another, take your pick. And the alternatives often cost more money than I can afford.)

That brings me to the last point about pet food. So, most of it's all the same, more or less. But who you give your money to is different, depending on which brand you buy. And how much money you give. I've been giving my money to Colgate-Palmolive for the past five years. Do I want to switch my cats' food so that my money goes to Nestle, Proctor & Gamble, Mars, or Del Monte instead? I don't want any of those companies to have my money!

The other alternative is making your pets' food yourself, which the book gives instructions to do. And, in an idealistic way, I'd love to do this. What a great way to give my pets local, organic, ethical food at last! Unfortunately, this is easier said than done for me. Maybe I'm being silly, but I really don't like handling meat and never have - even back when I ate it. The thought of suddenly having to purchase and deal with meat on a daily basis is really something I can't quite live with. Nor am I willing to force my cats to be vegetarians.

So for the time being, I need to figure out some way to feed them as ethically as possible that also doesn't make me go broke. I might just switch to the least expensive hairball formula out there and see how that works. At least then I'll be giving less money to nasty corporations I don't want to support.

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Applied for a job... (4.00 / 2)
...a few months or so back, with one of those local / organic / sustainable cat food companies here in SE Portland.  Didn't get it obviously, but I thought even at the time that it would be really interesting to see how that worked.

That would actually be pretty interested (4.00 / 2)
really, the nutrition standards for cat food are so rigid that it doesn't allow for too much creativity and variation beyond a certain point. Plus obviously the needs for the food to be cheap, have a long shelf life, etc. Those dictate what the food ends up like too.

"I can understand someone from Iowa promoting corn and soy, but we are not feeding the world, we are feeding animals and soft drink companies." - Jim Goodman

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oops (4.00 / 2)
interesting, not interested

"I can understand someone from Iowa promoting corn and soy, but we are not feeding the world, we are feeding animals and soft drink companies." - Jim Goodman

[ Parent ]
How is switching to the least expensive (4.00 / 2)
food more ethical or good for your pets? And if you followed the PFR at all, you would have noticed it was the cheaper brands (more mass market brands) that were the most effected.

And yes, if you dug through the PP website, you could find out who owned them. For most any of the brands you can. My cats are on commercial food for the first time in 8 yrs (need to buy a new freezer) and you can bet I've been through the various sites (who owns them etc). I have a cat with a seafood allergy, so finding food I agree with that I can feed is a b*tch. So back to raw as soon as possible . . .

sS for handling meat, you can use gloves ;) I was buying ground meat/organ/bones from a place in PA when I lived back east. Not much different than canned food as far as handling goes. Actually, much nicer and minus the stench of canned cat food :-P You can also get freeze dried raw food. I think Honest Kitchen is out of your area . . .  


If the food was cheaper (4.00 / 2)
I'd be delivering up less money (and likely profit) to the pet food companies. As far as home made food goes, I really don't want meat in my house at all, if possible. I don't want it in the kitchen. I don't want to buy it, to pay for it, to cook it, or to give it to the cats raw.

"I can understand someone from Iowa promoting corn and soy, but we are not feeding the world, we are feeding animals and soft drink companies." - Jim Goodman

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Well, if you go cheaper (4.00 / 2)
really look at the ingredients and think about what cats are designed to eat. It may say it's "nutritionally complete", but . . .  also, as far as environmentally responsible, where the heck did all that stuff come from? (Think China for supplemental ingredients etc)

I actually ordered ground raw mouse for my cats once as a treat . .  lol!~ as I recall they weren't impressed. I think that prob had a bit to do with their lack of outdoor environment in NYC (too gamey?). Be interesting to see if any of them catch anything now that they go outside (NOT in NYC!!). So far the main interest seems to be in bugs that fly with a flutter (moths etc) The dog, on the other hand, has figured out there are edibles in the back part of the yard in the form of fruits and veggies . . . .  


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The point is that the expensive stuff (4.00 / 1)
I buy now is likely the same crap from the same dubious sources as the cheaper stuff. I'm not buying any extra quality or responsibility with my extra dollars.

"I can understand someone from Iowa promoting corn and soy, but we are not feeding the world, we are feeding animals and soft drink companies." - Jim Goodman

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You aren't buying "the expensive stuff" (0.00 / 0)
I would call it mid range and for the same dollars or a bit more, you can do better and not give your dollars to companies you don't want to support. Or, if you give your dollars to a company you would rather not support, you are buying a better product, which encourages them to continue on that path vs the worst path (aka cheaper, less beneficial/ethical/environmental positive and possibly deadly to your felines)

Also, it's not just what company owns the brand, it's who actually manufactures it. If in doubt, see the 2007 recall.

And no, it's not always "likely the same crap". Yes, to various degrees it is crap, or the same crap, or various amounts of crap. You have control over it though. You admit you bought into the marketing, now you need to research on your own and find your comfort zone and apply your knowledge to your love for your cats. Going cheaper may not reflect your love. Honestly, would you feed yourself, your partner and children cheaper without due research figuring it's likely the same 'whatever'?

I fed SD years ago. (And IAMs?) They were the first company to eliminate dyes and some other sh*t (iirc). And at the time, were a pretty good option. And when I say years ago, we're talkin' 25ish  ;) I had a kitty that developed an intestinal issue from an orchid plant and he couldn't tolerate any (and I mean ANY processed food). We went through EVERY vet formula. Home cooking was it. After 2 yrs, I went  back to SD and IAMS. But over the years, they changed. And I changed with the industry. There are other options out there. It's just as fun searching them as it is people food, lol!~ Yeah, there are various degrees of crap in the foods, and various degrees of ethics etc, but there are, imo, better options if you care about your pets and how you spend your dollars.


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sometimes I feed my dog kibble (4.00 / 2)
but other times I make him food.

I buy CAFO chickens, boil them in a stewpot, drain them when done, chill the broth and skim off the fat.

The result is kind of aspic-ish. I cook grated carrots or chopped greens in it, and then toward the end add oatmeal. I mix that with the meat from the chicken and also add about a tablespoon of bone meal.

This is all totally digestible and cheaper than canned dog food. Kibble often has a lot of undigestible filler.

Where I live CAFO chickens are really cheap, though. You can buy CAFO chicken for as low as forty cents a pound, though usually it's more like seventy to a dollar.

I don't like using CAFO chickens but organically grown ones are outside of my budget.

My understanding is that commercial pet food is considered below human quality grade, which means it can have diseased parts, stuff they scraped off the floor, etc.  

"If God were to appear to starving people, he would not dare to appear in any other form than food." - Mahatma Gandhi


with 5 cats (4.00 / 3)
it's actually the same/cheaper for me to feed raw than to buy decent commercial feed, and this was non-CAFO meats. I am noticing big time that they just don't seem satisfied on commercial. A lot more asking for food going on around here. I should make them up a stew like yours. Used to do that before raw (thanks for the reminder!) The dog gets raw and also eats many of the meals I cook for myself. She is currently getting CAFO chickens. I prefer those over commercial for her (and the cats if I had more freezer space!). She's a Dal and needs a low purine diet. Easier to control if I do it myself vs trying to figure out what's really in that can, lol!~ I got so freakin' sick of reading labels.

Thankfully, the eggs I give her are from my LL's chickens, so I don't have to worry about the egg recall . . .  


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I've read that cats need pieces of meat (4.00 / 2)
to properly exercise their stomach muscles, something like that.


"If God were to appear to starving people, he would not dare to appear in any other form than food." - Mahatma Gandhi

[ Parent ]
Haven't heard that one that icr (4.00 / 3)
but mine do get pieces and chicken feet etc same as I would give a dog a meaty bone. they can be pretty fierce when tearing and gnawing  :P it also entertains them for a time :)

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Never thought of giving ours chicken feet for a treat (4.00 / 3)
probably be a bad idea out here, given all the chickens and all. Mine seem to be more interested in rats and mice anyway. They don't seem all that interested in the newly hatched chicks I take out of the incubator even. Probably has something to do with the older birds chasing the cats around.....

Normal people scare me.... But not as much as I scare them.

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My 2 oldest cats are former ferals (4.00 / 3)
they seem to still have some 'hunt' in them as they are the only 2 that aren't afraid of my new bird (IRN) :P Interesting yours aren't even interested in the chicks. I could see all mine backing away from chickens, not so much lil' fuzzy chicks . . .

Back in NY, the person that supplied my chickens would save the feet and organs from other orders that didn't want them. Also known as, I had a good deal of them, lol!~


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Mine would be interested in the chicks (4.00 / 2)
but I've trained them that the chicks are not to be hunted. It was the same with Loiosh. He new which animals (and humans) belonged to his pack and which didn't.

Our cats routinely bring in small game, including the occasional sparrow or starling. It's just the home birds they are prohibited from eating.

Normal people scare me.... But not as much as I scare them.


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I can do that with my dog (4.00 / 1)
but I haven't figured out (or had a long enough period of time to see if I'm doing it right!) with the cats.
Props to you for getting your kitties to leave the fuzzy 'toys/game' alone :)

The bird is pretty good at telling the cats off though. She keeps one of the ferals in check enough, but the other is deaf and doesn't get the full warning ;)

I'm rethinking getting bird feeders now that the cats are out and about. Keep the 'playing field' even I'm thinking now.

The dog is more interested in picking apples, strawberries, etc :)


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yeah, might not be a good idea (0.00 / 0)
to give them any ideas about the other possibilities of chickens in the vicinity.

"If God were to appear to starving people, he would not dare to appear in any other form than food." - Mahatma Gandhi

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chickens (4.00 / 3)
I know you're interested in keeping chickens and the changing of city laws to be in favor of keeping chickens w/in city limits..  

Beaverton OR just changed their laws - here's the link:

http://www.oregonlive.com/beav...


Go Beaverton! (4.00 / 1)
That's interesting, actually, since I'd think Jill's new town has much more in common with Beaverton than it does with Portland or Seattle or SF.

[ Parent ]
I think she should use the egg recall (4.00 / 2)
as another prodding point with her city council. Just another point for allowing chickens and a reason to bring the topic back to the forefront with them.

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Good point! (4.00 / 1)
Keep it front and center, it looks like nature makes our own case for us sometimes, doesn't it?

And to follow up on my previous comment, since I just remembered that although it sometimes seems like it, we're not all actually Oregonians here, and thus everyone may not be familiar with Beaverton...

;)

Similarities using Wiki -

Beaverton is a large suburb, population of about 85,000, immediately bordering the City of Portland on the west; founded in 1893 as a small town of its own but which has since become a bedroom community for Portland as well as the home of Nike and a large repository of open land along the highways for companies like Tektronix and Linux to open campuses and office parks.  It's served by TriMet bus, MAX light rail and WES, the country's only suburb-to-suburb heavy commuter rail line (Beaverton to Wilsonville).

The demographics look pretty much exactly the same, ethnicity (Beaverton's more Asian, Jill's town is slightly more Hispanic) and income-wise (Jill's new town is slightly wealthier, but not significantly so); and though Beaverton looks more Democratic / liberal on its surface, the politics in the two places probably really aren't all that far off in the end.


[ Parent ]
Chickens are regular carriers of salmonella (4.00 / 2)
as well as things like avian influenza, fowl cholera, exotic newcastle disease, etc, etc. Not really the kind of issues I'd want opponents of urban chickens to be made aware of.

I don't think I'd bring up any diseases associated with chickens.

Normal people scare me.... But not as much as I scare them.


[ Parent ]
Well... (4.00 / 1)
...you could certainly bring up the extent to which industrial production and distribution practices spread disease in previously unimagined proportions.

[ Parent ]
And of course... (4.00 / 1)
...there's also the countless diseases humans carry and spread, too!

;)

Hell, if they wanna go there maybe some of us should use human diseases as an argument against sprawl!

Kidding, kind of.

But yes, I understand your argument here.


[ Parent ]
The point I'm trying to make here (4.00 / 2)
is that opponents already bring up the public health risks associated with chickens. I would just refrain from rubbing their noses in the diseases that all chickens are subject to, not just the 'factory' farmed birds. There's a reason why you should always wash your hands after handling the birds, doesn't make any difference if they're back yard birds or birds in a cage layer facility. They all catch the same bugs.

Normal people scare me.... But not as much as I scare them.

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I get you... :) (4.00 / 1)
My point is that it's not about rubbing anyone's noses in disease, it's about pointing out that we as individuals are more capable of taking steps to ensure our own health than profit-conscious, bottom-line worldwide corporations are.

For example, I trust you more than I trust Tyson.

:)


[ Parent ]
Just heard on local news . . . (4.00 / 2)
it might have been the feed.

While you can practice good hygiene when handling/raising birds, as a person, you can't control the hundreds of millions of chicken/eggs factory farmed contaminating the whole food chain (yes, I expect to see related recalls, think peanuts . . .). I do see your point though. Someone's 3 backyard chickens will be more dangerous than what's happening in Iowa (that took them since MAY! and hundreds of illnesses to tell us about). All pets are potentially dangerous also, but for some reason, that seems to work okay . . .

and don't forget to sterilize the kitchen if you feed your pets kibble!


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Just read the ordinance itself... (4.00 / 1)
The (pdf) link is in the article.

Sounds like a very reasonable ordinance, which even spells out provisions allowing renters to own chickens (is it common for that to be spelled out in these?).  Although the lot requirement (5000 sq. ft) seems a bit too much?  Then again, for all I know most lots there might be 5000 sq. ft.  50-by-100 or so probably sounds about right for out there, although thst's bigger than most inner city properties here in Portland.

They also passed some interesting amendments (strikeout theirs) -

D. Enclosures shall not be located closer than 5 feet to a property line or closer than 20 feet to a neighboring dwelling.

So this would allow enclosures to be located in the far corners of backyards, which seems to be the preferred method here in Portland.


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yay! thanks! nt (4.00 / 2)


"I can understand someone from Iowa promoting corn and soy, but we are not feeding the world, we are feeding animals and soft drink companies." - Jim Goodman

[ Parent ]
raw food co-op (4.00 / 3)
I suppose I should read the book, but I am convinced that the brand of pet food I use for my is the best for my situation.

Blue Buffalo, is not cheap and they provide food-grade meats as well as an indoor cat formula that helps with hairballs.

As to raw foods, we have a raw feeding co-op in our area where we can get already prepared raw cat and dog food, it's kinda cool, but I am with you on having to deal with meat at all.


they do mention blue buffalo (4.00 / 2)
in the book although I'd have to re-read it to really see what they said about it. It wasn't a brand I was familiar with so I didn't focus on it as much.

"I can understand someone from Iowa promoting corn and soy, but we are not feeding the world, we are feeding animals and soft drink companies." - Jim Goodman

[ Parent ]
For hairballs (and constipation) (4.00 / 3)
consider a nice, natural supplement:
http://www.vitalityscience.com...

Particularly: https://www.vitalityscience.co...

A great company, their chronic diarrhea treatment suite helped a cat of mine that was otherwise NOT healing.

Also, consider Merrick food, they were a good company last I looked into them.  And their canned food actually smells like food, instead of the weird creepy dead smell of cheap commercial foods: http://www.merrickpetcare.com/...


Watch out for their dog treats though (0.00 / 0)
iirc, a few are on recall . . .  

[ Parent ]
Also, (4.00 / 3)
Science Diet plays the big-pharma game, they give vet students free food & perks for "prescribing" their "prescription only" (a company policy, not a legal mandate) food:

http://twodogbarkery.com/artic...

(above is a repost of 1997 WSJ article on "designer" pet food)


Of course (4.00 / 2)
the book mentions that. Look, I'm not defending Science Diet as great or even good. It's merely a food that my cats like that keeps them from throwing up, made by a yucky corporation that absolutely engages in yucky practices I disapprove of. And I'm positive there are yucky ingredients that I wish I didn't feed my cats in the food.

"I can understand someone from Iowa promoting corn and soy, but we are not feeding the world, we are feeding animals and soft drink companies." - Jim Goodman

[ Parent ]
In the 60's (4.00 / 1)
I had a job at a feed factory cleaning out bins, loading rail cars and bagging feed.

The difference between the most expensive feed and cheapest was the label on the bag, same feed in both bags.

I do buy organic pet food since I know what goes into non-organic.  All the hormones, antibiotics, parricides, dips, etc make up a chemical mix not unlike sewage sludge.

They cook everything real well but there is no proof that these chemical are dissipated, if anything it may concentrate them in the pet food.

I look forward to reading Marion's new book


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