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The Chicken Project: The City is Stalling

by: Jill Richardson

Wed Jun 16, 2010 at 17:07:35 PM PDT


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In my latest efforts to get my city to legalize backyard chickens, I've now heard from all four members of City Council plus the Mayor. I've previously posted two responses here - one asking for the downsides to urban chickens and one asking for model policies from other cities. The other three emails arrived after I posted that. Most notably, I received the following two emails from the Mayor, who is clearly anti-chicken:

Ms. Richardson, since I've been out of town for the past three weeks, I only had an opportunity to review your e-mail today, 6/16, and want to correct a misunderstanding you may have with the council decision at our December 8 meeting regarding your request. I am quoting from those minutes wherein [the city planner] spoke regarding your request and he explained the process and costs involved with a zoning ordinance amendment to allow for chickens, hens, in residential zones and he said staff recommended the council table the request and not initiate a zoning ordinance amendment at this time. Council discussion ensued and voted 5/0 to approve staff recommendation.

When an item is "tabled" it is tantamount to denying any further discussion or action. No mention was made to bring the item up in the latter part of 2010 as you indicate. The city is currently going through a general plan amendment, and this item could be discussed when the recommendations are made, but it is not scheduled to be completed in 2010 and there is no certainty that this specific amendment will be included.

And his second email:

Ms. Richardson, although I had almost completed responding to your 6/8/10 e mail, I pressed the send button before completing my response. I just wanted to conclude by saying that farm animals in a highly urbanized community are not compatible with homes that have small yards and where houses are clustered so close to each other.

The rest of the email exchange is below.

Jill Richardson :: The Chicken Project: The City is Stalling
I replied, twice. To the first email, I wrote:

Thanks for your clarification. In that case, I will continue to advocate for the legalization of urban chicken keeping. A number of city residents have contacted me in the wake of the December decision made by the city council and I've provided them with the email addresses of members of city government as well as the city council meeting schedule. Some of those who contacted me already have chickens and were surprised to learn that they were illegal. Others were interested in getting them. This is a current issue in many cities across the U.S., not just here, as more and more people discover the benefits of backyard chickens and then find out that they are not allowed to legally have chickens. As I've noted before, a large number of US cities allow chickens, and many of those policies are relatively new.

Then I responded to the second email:

I agree with you that keeping MOST farm animals in an urban setting is a bad idea. A cow, for example, would make no sense in a small yard on an urban lot. Roosters are noisy, as are guineas. Pigs are large and produce a LOT of waste. But I disagree with you about chickens. They are quiet, small, and produce very little waste. They present less of a health risk or a nuisance in an urban setting than even a dog or a cat.

The other two responses I received were less notable. One was a short but kind note from a city council member who is out of town with his sick father. The last was stating that the decision was to table the matter and there's nothing that could be done. I found that response frustrating, as the city council clearly CAN do something and simply does not want to at this time. And the two members of City Council who are up for re-election are meeting about this with the city planner to discuss it, which means they ARE doing something about it.

I think my next step might be a petition. If it weren't for the fact that my boyfriend was running for city council, I would dress up in a chicken suit and attend every city council meeting wearing it, presenting rubber chickens to the members of city council. And yes, I understand that that is a ridiculous and not quite socially acceptable thing to do, but it's an alternative to breaking the law by getting chickens illegally. Maybe I'll simply bring a chicken to a city council meeting. I'll see how my boyfriend feels about that. My biggest hesitation there is that it would be stressful for the chicken.

Previous installments of The Chicken Project:
Part 1: Initial Planning for Chickens
Part 2: Oops, it's not legal
Part 3: My public comment at City Council
Part 4: My letter to the city
Part 5: Bad News
Part 6: City Council Tables the Issue
Part 7: We Made the Local Paper!
Part 8: The San Diego Paper's Anti-Chicken Editorial
Part 9: San Diego Responds to the Union Tribune
Part 10: San Diego Paper Prints Our Letters
Part 11: We Foster Rescued Chickens
Part 12: Our Chickens Have a New Home
Part 13: Hope

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Highly urbanized... (4.00 / 3)
I just wanted to conclude by saying that farm animals in a highly urbanized community are not compatible with homes that have small yards and where houses are clustered so close to each other.

I guess Portland, Seattle, New York City, etc... are wide-open rural backwaters, eh?

;)

Coming soon to a Philadelphia near you!


If you do take a chicken (4.00 / 3)
Be aware that they poop pretty frequently, especially if they're nervous, so you wouldn't want it out of its carrier too long at a time. ;-)

As it was, he did a deal with a blancmange, and the blancmange ate his wife.

[ Parent ]
hogwash (4.00 / 3)
The "highly urbanized" comment is just a raging load of crap, but unfortunately it points to the heart of the issue. This misperception and bias that the mayor has will prevent him from hearing any of the pro-chicken things your have to say.

Why don't you go on the forum for backyardchickens.com and start a thread asking anyone whose cities allow chickens to chime in (and ask them to give their cities rules regarding # of hens, permitting process, etc. while they're at it). You'll get a list a mile long. You can also compare the population density of your city to the densities of a couple of the cities on the list, if you'd like. Present that info to the mayor, and see him try to cling to the "not suitable for highly urbanized areas" argument.


[ Parent ]
oh i don't even need to go to Backyard chickens.com (4.00 / 2)
I've got tons of examples. Vancouver just legalized backyard chickens this month. I sent the news on it to the whole city council.

"I can understand someone from Iowa promoting corn and soy, but we are not feeding the world, we are feeding animals and soft drink companies." - Jim Goodman

[ Parent ]
Nelson, B.C. (4.00 / 1)
A recent Deconstructing Dinner podcast included a discussion of efforts by advocates for legalizing chickens in Nelson, British Columbia. Council asked them all the same questions you have been asked, proponents provided all the same information you provided and jumped through all the same hoops. In the end, councilmembers simply felt that chickens don't belong in town. Nelson is very yuppyfied. I'm surprised by the result, but Nelson is a ski resort and a highend tourist destination, and perhaps the councilpeople think they're protecting the town's expensive image?

The parallels with your situation are striking, although Nelson is different in one respect. Seems like for two years, B.C. has been midst the throes of a bureaucratic drive to stamp out small producers of anything that moves or comes from something with feet, such as eggs. Carrots are OK.

Jay has the definitive response to the urbanization cop-out, but in addition, maybe you could invite the mayor to visit you. Have one of the girls hand him something from Flower Power Ranch. Ask him if he doesn't agree that gardens are entirely appropriate for La Mesa, and if that's a good thing, chickens are too.

I do see a problem with my idea. He sounds like the kind of person who would have you arrested for bribery if you gave him something for free, but if you charged him, he sounds like the kind of person who would look for something illegal about that. Can't win.


Carrots are OK... (4.00 / 1)
for now.

[ Parent ]
well the mayor here (4.00 / 3)
has been caught doing something QUITE improper in the recent past. It involves alcohol, vomit, and a car.

"I can understand someone from Iowa promoting corn and soy, but we are not feeding the world, we are feeding animals and soft drink companies." - Jim Goodman

[ Parent ]
Ooooh, let me guess! (4.00 / 3)
He was driving his car and saw somebody vomiting on the road, then got out, gave the guy a hand and went and bought the poor, sick fella a drink?

Heh...

Did his 3-week 'out of town' stint have anything to do with being an honored guest of a certain county facility?

Oh wait, that's Jersey.  Sorry!

;)

Coming soon to a Philadelphia near you!


[ Parent ]
oh no (4.00 / 3)
the police gave our poor, passed out mayor a ride home and no charges whatsoever.

"I can understand someone from Iowa promoting corn and soy, but we are not feeding the world, we are feeding animals and soft drink companies." - Jim Goodman

[ Parent ]
FYI (4.00 / 3)
I deleted your comment naming our mayor since I try not to say what city I live in on here. Hope you aren't offended by my deletion.

"I can understand someone from Iowa promoting corn and soy, but we are not feeding the world, we are feeding animals and soft drink companies." - Jim Goodman

[ Parent ]
OK sorry but I deleted (4.00 / 3)
a second one. I don't like to delete things ever but I'd prefer to keep my city more or less a secret from random internet people. I think it's been named on the blog before but I'd rather that it be hard for people to find instead of easy and frequently named.

"I can understand someone from Iowa promoting corn and soy, but we are not feeding the world, we are feeding animals and soft drink companies." - Jim Goodman

[ Parent ]
Did you delete my comment, too? (4.00 / 4)
It seems to have disappeared.

[ Parent ]
My comment did not mention (4.00 / 4)
the name of your city. I don't know the name of your city. So, what happened to my comment?

[ Parent ]
when a comment is deleted (4.00 / 3)
the remainder of that thread goes with it, usually.

[ Parent ]
What count said... (4.00 / 3)
Any replies to the deleted comment end up deleted with it.

Coming soon to a Philadelphia near you!

[ Parent ]
At least one of the comments (4.00 / 1)
could have been edited to eliminate the name.

[ Parent ]
Pretty sure... (4.00 / 2)
...the only choices are delete or not.  I don't think you can edit comments on SoapBlox?  That's all I see, anyways...

Coming soon to a Philadelphia near you!

[ Parent ]
sorry (4.00 / 3)
they don't let me edit, just delete. My apologies.

"I can understand someone from Iowa promoting corn and soy, but we are not feeding the world, we are feeding animals and soft drink companies." - Jim Goodman

[ Parent ]
keeping your location quiet (0.00 / 0)
will be somewhat difficult after your chicken struggle is picked up by national media, won't it?

[ Parent ]
tabling (4.00 / 2)
The minutes referred to by the mayor do not support his highhanded assertion about killing the discussion and do not enable us to know whether there was discussion about future consideration. The report is severely truncated, at best. Here is the record in its entirety:

12. REQUEST FOR THE CITY COUNCIL TO INITIATE A ZONING ORDINANCE AMENDMENT TO ALLOW CHICKENS (HENS) IN RESIDENTIAL ZONES

Planning and Development Services Director %%%% spoke regarding the request and explained the process and costs involved with a zoning ordinance amendment. Mr. %%%% said staff recommended the Council table the request and not initiate a zoning ordinance amendment at this time.

Council discussion ensued.

ACTION: Motioned by Mayor **** and seconded by Councilmember &&&& to approve staff's recommendation. Motion passed 5/0.

Your impression of what happened in the meeting certainly is more consistent with U.S. usage than the mayor's understanding, although his decades of dominating the council might have engendered a local meaning, peculiar to that town. Although in the Canadian Parliament and the provincial legislatures, tabling a proposal means bringing it forward for discussion as soon as it can be put on the calendar, common usage in the U.S. means to put away for future reconsideration, if the body agrees to that. If the council had intended to kill the proposal, they could have done that unambiguously. Despite his having been in power so long that the mayor might think he owns the place, perhaps a 5-0 vote doesn't mean what he thinks it means. Maybe canvassing the councilmenbers would be worthwhile, to find out if they intended their votes to put the final kibosh on the discussion. While you're at it, maybe gently inquire if they share the mayor's bottomline belief that chickens just don't belong in town.

Although the mayor is an old man who has been in office a very long time, and probably should be replaced by someone with an open mind, he might still be amenable to gentle but persistent persuasion. He's been there so long he might remember a time when most of the town's backyards had chickens.

Is this guy standing for re-election again this year?


He is running again. (4.00 / 2)
Does he ever draw a significant challenger?

[ Parent ]
I can think of someone... (4.00 / 2)
...to run against him.

Draft Jill!

I call Campaign Manager or Press Spokesperson...

;)

Coming soon to a Philadelphia near you!


[ Parent ]
running against him (4.00 / 1)
would be a platform for publicizing the issue, for sure.

[ Parent ]
there's a member of city council who wants to be mayor (4.00 / 3)
not sure if he's running.

"I can understand someone from Iowa promoting corn and soy, but we are not feeding the world, we are feeding animals and soft drink companies." - Jim Goodman

[ Parent ]
Does your Mayor even know . . . (4.00 / 4)
what a "highly urbanized community" is?

I now live in a "highly urbanized community" (as opposed to NYC!) similar to yours (I'm guessing) and all I can say is thank Dawg chickens are legal here. I'll be using them as part of my pest management scheme next spring (along with soil enrichment and eggs!).

Perhaps you could get Bloomberg to pay a visit and educate your CC and Mayor on all things urban  ;)


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