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by: JayinPortland

Mon Mar 15, 2010 at 19:00:00 PM PDT


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Oy, I ate too much at dinner.... (4.00 / 3)
Emu enchiladas with a verde sauce.

Spent the better part of the day getting the DSL back up and running. I love my high(er) speed line. The phone coop was running a special to get people off dialup and onto a somewhat higher speed connection. So we have a year of DSl for $15/month (what the dialup cost). Even after the year is up, the DSL is still only $30, which is $20/month less than the wireless broad band, and no contract.

Also went into Molalla to drop of the big rototiller for a tune up, and found out the shop is closed Sundays and Mondays, so I have to go back over tomorrow morning, first thing, drop of the 'tiller, and then it's out to Lakeview HS in Lake Oswego to look at some tile that fell off a wall. Sounds like a nice little repair job. If I get it I hope they don't pay on a net 90. I hate waiting 3 months to get paid on a job, but a lot of government agencies pay like that.

Anyhoo, how y'all doin'?

Normal people scare me.... But not as much as I scare them.

net 90 (4.00 / 2)
I would say something disparaging about gvt vs. private enterprise, except that the last time I was involved in the business world, net 30 already seemed to be disappearing - not by agreement, but people decided that postponing payment was a way to manage cash flow, and creditors wouldn't push awfully hard for payment because they wanted to retain the customer. I don't know what the situation is now, but it's probably not particularly agreeable.

Phone co-op? What the heck is a phone co-op? That sounds wonderful. The DSL deal certainly is wonderful.

Closed Sunday and Monday - what do they think they are, a barber shop or a city restaurant? That's no way to do business, although I long ago adjusted to that schedule for restaurants and barber shops.

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Yeah, and it's not just gov. that's doing it (4.00 / 3)
Harold's son Steve was up here for a week or two, he works for a contractor that does things like ATM installs, remodeling, etc. for banks. Steve said their clients pay on a net 90.

One of the things I liked about working out at PDX airport a couple years ago is that the Port of Portland pays on a net 30. You still have to wait, but not as long.

Actually, I really, really like working for homeowners. My contract says so much down at the start of the job and the balance due on completion or payments at certain points during the job, depending on the size of the job. Boom, I'm done, you're happy with the job, I got a check in my hand which I drop off at the bank on my way home.

But you're right, most large jobs have enough competition between contractors that the seller gets to make the rules most of the time. Take it or leave it, that's what we're offering, if you don't like it someone else will install our tile or what ever instead of you.

I'm sure it's one reason why most people work as employees. When you're an independant contractor it's fish or cut bait, no worker's comp. (although if you break the safety rules and OSHA catches you you'll still get fined), no unemployment insurance, no minimum wage protections, etc. Although it's not as bad as it sounds. I can bid a prevailing wage job at the same rate a shop with employees does and all the money goes into my pocket, so I don't really complain. Just the occaisonal whine. ;-P

Normal people scare me.... But not as much as I scare them.

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dinner (4.00 / 2)
I haven't et yet, but today I bought a pound of carrots and, because I didn't find green garlic, a pound of green onions. I'm going to saute them sometime tonight. After tasting the result, I might add a little yogurt, some garam masala, a few other seasonings.
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Really? (4.00 / 2)
So we have a year of DSl for $15/month (what the dialup cost). Even after the year is up, the DSL is still only $30, which is $20/month less than the wireless broad band, and no contract.

Damn, that's good! I'm currently paying almost $100/month for cable TV ("basic +") and internet (8-10 MB) from Cox. And if I would have gone with CenturyLink, I would have paid the same or more (!!!) for slower internet and Dish Network. So who's your phone company?

Act on Principles and make equality happen.

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Our phone company is Molalla Communications (4.00 / 3)
it's a coop that's owned by everyone the coop serves. It's pretty cool, they have customer appreciation days and picnics/BBQ's. The coop members share in the proffits. Really nice people.

I hear ya on the cable bill. We have Direct TV. I think it's around $50/month for expanded basic and if we'd gotten sattelite broad band it would have been another $50 I think. Heck, even my wireless 3G was $50/month. This isn't quite as fast, but I can't tell the difference, not enough to matter.

I'm happy with it, and, joy of joys, I can be on the net and use the phone at the same time. In fact, the DSL modem has 4 lines so I can be using more than one computer online too.

Actually, I wonder if I could set up a wireless router that would carry the signal to the modem.... That way I could move the laptop around the house.

Normal people scare me.... But not as much as I scare them.

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Yes (4.00 / 2)
I have DSL, and I have a wireless router.

How did I accomplish this, you might ask? One of my kids knows about this stuff, hehe.

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whose phone service do you have? (4.00 / 2)
when I had DSl, I plugged phone directly into wireless router
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Verizon (4.00 / 1)
Signal at the wall jack is split. One lead (filtered) goes to the phone, one lead (unfiltered) goes to the wireless router.
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looking at the router (4.00 / 1)
I probably could plug the phone into the router, but that would be inconvenient because of where I keep the phone and the location of the wall outlet for the router power supply.
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I have FIOS (4.00 / 2)
phone,internet cable. I have a package deal til next month. Right now its about 150 which includes HBO. The internet is awesome. If cable keeps going up I may drop but that means I pay more for phone. I've had every kind of phone VOIP..Including Vonage. If I didn't live in a "bowl" I would bag the land line and increase cell minutes. Saturday night not only did I lose power for 15 hours, the cell towers were affected too because of the storm
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CD player deficiency (4.00 / 3)
You probably know that all DVD players can play CDs. This fact is not attributable to any inherent technical characteristic of DVD technology, but rather to an early marketing decision that a good way to increase consumer appeal of DVD players would be to make them able to play CDs. DVD players essentially became two machines in one box.

I wish CD players could play the audio part of DVDs. My CD players are old, so I'm not surprised they can't perform this trick, but new CD players can't do it either, far as I can determine.

I would like to have this feature because Jean recently was given many DVDs of TV show seasons - The Commish, Hunter, JAG, and many many more. She loaned them to me. The problem is, I can't take advantage of them unless I'm home. For me, 99.44% of the useful content of most TV programs is in the audio. I could get everything I need from an episode by listening to it as I'm out and about.

I don't know if I could buy a modern version of something like my ancient Sony Discman. I guess a portable DVD player could be jiggered in a way that would let me stick it in my backpack or windbreaker pocket and listen with earphones, but that probably would be more expensive and inconvenient that I would like. I'll check it out, though.

OK, I'm pissed tonight... (4.00 / 2)
The "swift boaters" come to Nevada to drop a turd on our airwaves, and all they have is this cherrybomb? If this is all the crap they have, I can't wait to defeat the Rethuglicans this fall!

(Yes, sometimes I really do get this political...)

Act on Principles and make equality happen.

Gotta agree with ya on the ad (4.00 / 3)
what idiocy. As someone who was a member of a union, one which I thought at the time, and still think, is a great union, I'd be pretty pissed if I or my fellow members were being compared to slave owners in the middle east.

Normal people scare me.... But not as much as I scare them.
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Yep, there are many tens of thousands of union workers... (4.00 / 2)
Here in Las Vegas, either working directly for casino companies like MGM Mirage or for construction firms, plumbers & pipefitters, or other related industries. To directly attack them like this is downright stupid. After all, we're the ones who vote!

I can't wait to see this backfire on them. I'm sure MGM Mirage also isn't happy with being called a "slave owner".

Act on Principles and make equality happen.

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OK, because I need to laugh... (4.00 / 2)
I'm looking at this now.

Calling all cheapskates and group seXors! Luxor wants YOU!

Dudebros! Time to pack up the Escalade (rented) with your best brohams and head to the Luxor for a cheaptastic weekend of group sex - no charges on 3-5 guests! At $40/night that pencils out to a Super Sized double Whopper combo each! Spending less on room means you can buy more $15 RedBulls at XS!

Like whoa!

And btw, this is actually the real ad. Now is it just moi, or does the thought of all those group orgies at Luxor make you want to rethink booking a room there? :-p

Act on Principles and make equality happen.

sounds good but (4.00 / 2)
what is a broham? Is that a kinky something about which I do not wish to know?
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Pretty much... (4.00 / 2)
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Broham (4.00 / 2)
It's a real (slang) word? Ouch, I thought it might be typo for brougham, or maybe brogan. And to think, at one time I thought I knew something about American English.

4.  Broham

A term of false endearment used between a 'cool' guy to a less 'cool' guy to coerce him to do a menial task for him such as vacuuming, moving a car, triple homicide et al, in the pretense that the cool guy may be the less cool guy's friend as a result of the completed task.

Say broham, how's about you head down to the city dump to get rid of this rolled up carpet in my trunk... I'll stay here and cool some beers
.

Interesting.

As long as we're on the subject of idiomatic language, I learned just tonight that the term "deep six" is an Americanism, pretty much unknown by speakers of Queen's English.

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Never heard of it, either... (4.00 / 2)
Not the first time I've run into a word like this lately, either.  I guess that means I'm getting old and out of touch, eh?  

Or is this just what happens when your first child becomes a teenager, no matter how old you are?  

Like, in my case, if your daughter turns 13 when you're 30 you reach "Out of Touchedness" at 30.  If your daughter turns 13 when you're like 40, you get an extra 10 years of "In Touchedness"?  Someone should work out some studies on that.

"The essence of the independent mind lies not in what it thinks, but in how it thinks." - Christopher Hitchens

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NCAA (4.00 / 2)
Baltimore has a team in the NCAA again this year. Last year, Morgan State got in for the first time ever as a 16th seed. They were soundly roundly defeated in the first round by Oklahoma. The team is a 15th seed this year, so of course they will AT LEAST make it to the Sweet Sixteen.
Ha! (4.00 / 1)
Interesting stat I heard the other day - 16 seeds are 0-100 all time in the tournament, while 15 seeds have won only 3 games* since the tournament was expanded to 64 teams in 1985.

0 for 100?!

Screw 'interesting'.  That's an amazing statistic, actually.  Is it possible in any other sport for that level of abysmal failure and absolute futility to be replicated in any way?

Hell, even the 2009-10 NJ Nets will win 9 or 10 games out of 82 this year.  Even the 1962 NY Mets won 40 games out of 160.  Even the current version of the Detroit 'Lions' will win 8 or 9 games out of every 100 they play.

Sticking with college, even an NAIA Chaminade team will beat a Ralph Sampson-led University of Virginia squad once (or more) out of every 100 times.  Even Michigan beats Ohio State once every 100 years (or maybe not, heh).

*For some reason, they didn't mention if it was three #15 seeds that beat three #2 seeds, or if one 15 seed won two games in a tournament, or if one 15 seed won all three of those games in the same tournament.  I can't find anything on this, and don't feel like taking the time to look it up right now, but I probably will at some future date.  I think in the 2008 tournament, when Belmont took The Evil Duke right to the wire in the first round, they were a 15 seed too?  Or maybe a 14.  I have to check that, too.
 

"The essence of the independent mind lies not in what it thinks, but in how it thinks." - Christopher Hitchens
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0 for 100 (4.00 / 1)
It's called a learning experience.
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Samsonites (4.00 / 1)
And Ralph Sampson III plays for...
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OK that wasn't fair. (4.00 / 1)
The intent of that comment must be murky at best.

RS III plays for the Minnesota Gophers.

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Btw, since I brought up politics tonight... (4.00 / 2)
I might as well mention some policy. I actually wrote something on my blog today that I hope will make Jay smile. You see, I'm not a casino shill all the time. :-)

Act on Principles and make equality happen.
major (4.00 / 2)
Interesting post.

(I think) I understand that you are a university student. What is your major?

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Poli sci... (4.00 / 2)
Yep, I'm not even kidding. :-)

Act on Principles and make equality happen.
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carrots and green oniions (4.00 / 2)
Seduced by Evil Temptress Jill Richardson, who posted a pornographic photo of carrots and green garlic, and persuaded by JoanneRigutto, who wrote

I don't even have to smell that to know it would be good!

Today I bought one pound of carrots and one pound of green onions. I didn't find green garlic.

I prepped the veggies. Carrots, you know what to do. I removed the little roots from the green onions and divided them into two piles - sections of hollow green leaf cylinders, and everything else -  then chopped up the piles and put them in separate bowls.

In a heavy saucepan with a heavy lid, I steamed the carrot pieces 10 minutes, added the white parts of the green onions and steamed for 5 minutes, added the green leaf sections of the green onions and steamed 5 minutes more.

I ate a bowl of the steamed vegetables and pronounced it delicious. How simple is that? No salt, no smoked paprika or Tabasco sauce, no high fructose corn syrup, just clean bright flavors. My dish probably wasn't as flavorful as Patrick's dinner because mine was so simple, but it was pretty good.

Before I steamed the vegetables, I chopped up some bacon and fried it. After eating the one bowl of steamed vegetables, I transferred the rest of the vegetables to the pan with the bacon grease and fried bacon, and heated everything to remove water. Colors are still vivid, tastes are still clean and bright, I love this. I'm not sure it's better than the plain steamed vegetables, but it's good and I think it was prettier than Jill's photo just because it's set off by black cast iron.

I'll do this again to see what I can do in the vein of Indian cuisine, but I really like this ultimately simple version. I swear, it's better than any vegetable side dish I've had in a restaurant recently.

Thank You, Jill.

Thank You, Joanne.

I even like it room temp. nt (4.00 / 2)

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You're welcome! (4.00 / 3)
I gotta try that with the green garlic. I'm having to tell myself 'Not untill the new season starts, leave it alone till them' otherwise all the garlic would be gone by now.... I planted 1,100 cloves or so, and I think I should have planted twice that much.

I like your idea of adding to the bacon and bacon grease. I always save the bacon grease.

Another flavored grease/oil I really like is from smoked chicken. I have a little electric smoker, and I'll take chicken thighs (bone in, skin on), marinate them or apply a dry rub, cold smoke for a couple hours using grape canes then take the thighs out of the smoker, place in a pan, cover with foil and bake in the oven at 325° till the meat is falling off the bones tender. Place the juices in a container and allow the oil to seperate, then refrigerate. When everything's setup well, peel the cold fat from the gelled liquid and freeze the two in seperate containers.

The liquid will be too smokey to eat by itself, but it imparts a wonderful delicate smoke when added to other soups or stocks. The fat is excellent when added to extra virgin olive oil and used to fry vegetables, potatoes, etc.

If you don't have grape canes, green apple wood will work as well, or any other mild hardwood.

Normal people scare me.... But not as much as I scare them.

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I love the green garlic (4.00 / 3)
I've never seen it in the stores though. All the reason to plant more in my backyard.

I wonder if people would buy it if it was offered at the local farmer's market? There's a grower around here that has sold not-so-green garlic which is almost full grown. The tops are green but the bulb's fully developed and the greens are tough at that stage. They're great for roasting because the bulbs are very moist, but he was reluctant to pick his garlic sooner.


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It's huge at the markets here... (4.00 / 2)
When green garlic is around at the farmers' markets here (should be soon if not in some markets already), the stuff goes like that (snapping fingers).  That's one of spring's "Be at the market at the opening bell if you want it" items around here.

I'm gonna have to jump on the green garlic-and-carrot bandwagon myself, now.  The giant PSU Saturday farmers' market opens for the season this weekend.

"The essence of the independent mind lies not in what it thinks, but in how it thinks." - Christopher Hitchens

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I actually discovered green garlic (4.00 / 3)
when someone here, I think it was JayinPortland, mentioned it being at one of the farmers markets in Portland.

Until then all I knew was garlic in the head/clove form. Also didn't know about garlic scapes until someone here mentioned them. Asked my dad, who had been growing garlic all his life, last year about green garlic and garlic scapes and he didn't know anything about either. Go figure.

All of my customers last year loved the green garlic and I'm sure they would have loved the scapes if I'd had enough to share.

One of the things I like to do with green garlic and the scapes is to chop/fry them up with chinese yard long beans. Heaven!

Normal people scare me.... But not as much as I scare them.

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suggestion (4.00 / 1)
perhaps he would listen to a suggestion that he bring some green garlic to the market a couple of times, just to see if it will sell. He might be pleasantly surprised.
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The thing with selling green garlic (4.00 / 2)
is that you have to anticipate the harvest. I figured on selling/harvesting a certain ammount of green garlic this year. I think I underestimated (I usually do). The disadvantage of green garlic is that once you harvest it, you're done, unlike scapes, where you're actually getting two cash crops off of the same plant at different times of the year.

What I planed last fall was to harvest 1/4-1/3 of the garlic crop as green garlic, so I planted more densely. Until you know what your market is for green garlic, it can be a bit dicey planting for green garlic. Although, if my experience last year was any indication, green garlic is pretty popular once people know about it and know how to use it (just like green onion).

But I agree with you. It might be helpful for him to thin his beds and bring some green garlic to see how it does at the market. He might be pleasantly surprised. It's also a nice early crop too.

Normal people scare me.... But not as much as I scare them.

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profitability (4.00 / 1)
You're the kind of farmer who will, by the end of this year, have a good handle on the profitability of green garlic vs. garlic heads, or maybe you already know from last year. I said I bought a pound of green onions. I actually bought 3 bunches, $0.99 per bunch, at a supermarket, so say $3 per pound. That's a lot more expensive than a pound of yellow onions, but of course if the green onions grew to maturity the yield would be much more than one pound.

Discussions like this and others we've had recently are fascinating. For example, if people were used to eating carrot greens, would it be profitable for a market gardener to harvest tiny early carrots for the value of the greens? Not now, because people don't know about carrot greens, but a farmer could grow a lot of carrot greens in a year, and just look at how expensive fresh parsley and cilantro are.

What was that my grandmother used to say? Waste not, want not?

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Yea I agree with your grandmother (4.00 / 1)
Interesting about the profitability of different vegetable/herb/greens crops. Had I known that carrot tops were edible, I could have salvaged something sellable from an otherwise disasterous carrot crop failure last year. Now that I know, I can be prepared to plant dense for carrot seed and then sell the culls as I thin for the reguarl market crop.

Same with the garlic. I planted the cloves every 4 inches or so, left to right, and from the front of the row to the back so that I could thin them for green garlic. I probably should have planted every 2 inches both ways. But hey, that's the nature of a learning curve....

That's one of the nice things about the CSA too, my customers are interested in trying new things out, so I can do things like plant carrot seed 2-3 times as dense as I normally would. If the subscribers don't like the tops, I know I will and I'll use them.

Normal people scare me.... But not as much as I scare them.

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green garlic pricing (4.00 / 1)
Jay, please see if you can report how much green garlic goes for in the markets this season.
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I'll second that (4.00 / 2)
'Inquiring minds want to know' ;-)

Normal people scare me.... But not as much as I scare them.
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Will do... n/t. (4.00 / 1)
...

"The essence of the independent mind lies not in what it thinks, but in how it thinks." - Christopher Hitchens
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This is a cool post... (4.00 / 2)
The Tranquility of a Portland Morning Bus Ride -

As the bus rolls through the hills of southern Portland, we pass strip malls and other suburban sundry.  The bus finally reaches the average suburbanites comfort zone of one person per 2 seats.  I think to myself, it will only get interesting at this point.  Will further riders just stand awkwardly with all the available seats around or will they sit with others?

The first person that needs to either sit or stand gets on board.  He is a nice looking older gentleman with a hat, overcoat, and professional cloths.  All somewhat plain colors, nothing to sharp, nothing to jump out at a person.  I've scanned the bus.  My assumption is he'll sit with pretty young professional looking lady behind me.

Ha!  I thought I was the only one who plays the "Will this person sit or stand?  And if they sit, who will they sit with?" game in my head when the bus starts to get full...

:)

"The essence of the independent mind lies not in what it thinks, but in how it thinks." - Christopher Hitchens

sit or stand (4.00 / 2)
I doubt that any Baltimore bus rider would stand if a seat was available, unless he planned to get off at the next stop. We're friendly that way.
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Regional Social Psychology... (4.00 / 2)
I was just thinking that, and the first comment in that piece (from an Arizonan) touched on that thought, actually.

Back East (or at least in the Northeast), we'd literally sit in each others' laps before we stood.  Just the way it was.  

Out here*, people really do start standing in the aisles of buses when each 2-seater (what do you call 2-seater bus seats, anyways?  gotta be a better name than '2-seater'. it's not a 'row', necessarily) on the bus has one person in them.

There's some interesting psychology at play here, if one digs deep enough.  In the Northeast, being crowded together is just a way of life.  So you sit inches from somebody on the bus without thinking twice.  In the West, there's all this open land and these wide spaces and I think there's more of a 'personal space' thing going on, where people feel they need theirs and also wish to grant others their space, as well.  

So I believe people who do so here are being nice and considerate in their own way, but in terms of maximizing capacity on buses it really does start to be a pain in the ass when the bus starts skipping stops because the driver sees people standing all the way from front to back, even though there's still probably 4 scattered seats available that nobody's taken, or wants to take.   Except for maybe the person who just got passed by the now "Drop-Off Only" bus (yeah, I'm looking at you Belmont #15 outbound bus during the PM rush hour!).

*I noticed this on buses when I was in Oakland, too, although to a slightly lesser extent than Portland which also leads me to believe there may be a racial cultural component here as well since Portland is so overwhelmingly white.  But not so much on BART, though.  Trains are different than buses on this count, even here in Portland.  People sit anywhere at all times without hesitation.  Which is another transit oddity...


"The essence of the independent mind lies not in what it thinks, but in how it thinks." - Christopher Hitchens
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LisaNova visits a Whole Foods (4.00 / 2)
LisaNova (as a 15 year-old) visits one with her mother. Improv meets youtube. I'll warn about some course language.


PBR (4.00 / 2)
"Where's the Pabst Blue Ribbon?"

Funny.

The surly mom belongs in a John Waters film.

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Poor Lisa (4.00 / 2)
All she gets for dinner is a Snickers Bar and a raw leek.
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