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Farm FAQ - livestock and poultry section

by: JoanneRigutto

Sun Mar 14, 2010 at 06:45:41 AM PDT


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This is the final section of the Farm FAQ, about livestock and poultry.

You might notice that in this and in the other sections there are some repeats. I'm planning on putting this up on the web as well and will be placing links in the document with a main menu up top, which is one of the reasons for the repeats.

People reading the farm FAQ will usually be doing so in conjunction with the subscriber survey/application, so details about crops grown and further information on the meat animal aspects of the farm are covered in more detail there.

JoanneRigutto :: Farm FAQ - livestock and poultry section
Livestock handling, husbandry and slaughter ~

What kinds of livestock and poultry do you have?
We currently maintain a variety of laying hens and roosters, both cross bred and pure bred, including Silver laced and Gold laced Wyandotts, White Leghorns, California White, Rhode Island Red, Barred Rock, Black Astralorp, Black Jersey Giant, Light Brahma, Dark Cornish, Americauna. The goats are Boer and Boer X Nubian for both meat and milk. Our heifer is Black Angus X Hereford, and the horses are purebred Lipizzan, Quarterhorse, American Paint Horse (APHA). The little mule is something else, we just haven't figured out what.... The rabbits are mixed breed, large and are kept for meat production and weed control. The 2010 veal calves will probably be dairy or dairy crossed with a beef breed.

How do you manage your animals?
Chickens - The laying hens and some roosters are free range. They have their choice of nesting areas around the farm, from nest boxes in the coop to building their own in the hay stacks and anywhere else that they deem suitable. Young birds are kept in mobile pens (chicken tractors) untill ready to lay as are the meat birds and extra roosters reserved for breeding stock or slaughter. Mobile pens are moved daily, every few days or weekly, depending on the size of pen, number of birds in the pen and impact on vegetation in the pen.

Goats - The goats are on pasture and have run in sheds for shelter from rain and sun.

Horses - The horses have free access to pasture and shelter.

Stallion  and Heifer - The stallion and heifer are both in training and are on dry lot (large pens) currently. The stallion will stay in training for 2010 and will have a variety of turn out pens and round pen. The heifer will be going on pasture with the mare/gelding herd in April, where I'll continue with her training.

Rabbits - The rabbits are kept in hutches off the ground unless doing weed control at which time they are moved into rabbit tractors and moved between the rows of crops.

All animals have access to clean water and are fed on a regular schedule, some have access to feed 24/7, others are fed a ration on a schedule.

All animals on the farm are vaccinated when needed and as needed for various diseases. They also receive veterinary care as needed and are dewormed regularly - twice/year for the horses, goats and heifer. Animals that are injured and treatable or who have come down with some other ailment are treated with antibiotics, antisepsis and analgesia as necessary to prevent infection and discomfort  during the healing/recovery process. Aside from new chicks in the brooder, no animals are fed antibiotics, dewormers or other drugs as a regular part of their daily ration. Animals have free access to clean water and mineral supplement/blocks appropriate for each species.

Chicks in the brooders are fed a chick crumble medicated with Amprolium, a coccidiostat (coccidia are microscopic single celled parasites and are endemic to this area), untill large enough to start on pellets (3-4 weeks of age) at which time their immune systems are well developed. Young birds are gradually weaned off of heat lamps and by the time they are 4-6 weeks of age are large and hardy enough to move to the outdoor brooding sheds and pens which have minimal heat and allow the young birds to become aquainted with the free range flock. At around 8 weeks of age they are moved into their permanent outdoor location, cockerels are seperated and either culled through slaughter or are held in seperate tractors or flight pens to grow out for slaughter or breeding.

Animals about to give birth and post partum are kept in seperate shelters/pens until they have given birth and the young has had a health check, and is/are nursing well on mom.

How do you source animals not produced on the farm?
I purchase from some national breeders of heritage breeds for poultry, other than that I do my best to source new stock from local breeders.

Do you use antibiotics, or dewormers and if so how do you use them?
I use a medicated poultry starter crumble containing a coccidiostat called Amprolium. Coccidia are microscopic single celled parasites and are endemic to this area. Chicks are fed this crumble until old enough to eat pellets (3-4 weeks of age) at which time they are shifted to the same unmedicated layer pellets that the laying hens are fed. They are also given a bit of scratch grains every day at this time.

Horses, cattle, goats and other hoofstock are given dewormer as appropriate and needed. The normal deworming schedule for these animals is twice yearly unless an animal exhibits a high parasite load through loss of condition and/or testing of a fecal sample.

Emus and other poultry are not dewormed.

Fly control on hoof stock is used - pyrethrins/pyrethroids, either spray on or wipe on, creams, etc. Fly masks on horses during fly season, diatomaceous earth (DT) on manure, and the chickens keep fly larvae in check through foraging in the arena.

The cats are treated with a spot application of flea control once a month or as needed during the year. In general the cats are treated untill there is no sign of flea activity. Periodically the house is treated with DT or pyrethrins/pyrithroids to control fleas.

The chickens have dusting areas available to them that are treated with DT.

What type of predator control do you use?
The cats are used to control rodents to the extent that they can. We also use poison for rat control and are careful to do so in a manner that keeps the chickens and any other animal safe.

Live traps are used to control other mamalian predators.

Because we allow the laying hens to free range, they are from time to time, subject to predation from raptors (hawks) and other predators. We do loose the occasional bird, but I feel that this is one of the inherent risks with the free range system and the benefits for both the birds and our customers far outweigh that risk. Birds and rabbits kept in tractors and flight pens are not so much subject to arial predators, but they can still fall prey to coyote, fox, raccoon, skunk, and rats, and I do my best to mitigate those risks.

How does your program for meat animals work on the farm?
If you choose to purchase an animal from the farm, you will be purchasing a live animal. I can grow that animal for you to slaughter size, and I'll charge you for that service, or you'll be purchasing a live animal that is already slaughter size. For poultry, and rabbits I can slaughter for you, there is no charge, or you may take the animal(s) home and slaughter them yourself. For larger animals, you will either need to make arrangement with the local mobile slaughter or a slaughterhouse of your choice. Either way, you will be responsible for the cost of slaughter and cutting/wrapping if you use that particular service, as well as transporting to the slaughterhouse if you choose to have the animal(s) slaughtered off farm.

At times, I will provide free samples of some poultry/meats for interested subscribers to try.

How do you and/or who do you use for slaughter?
I'll be using Mark's Meats (USDA Inspected) in Canby for off farm slaughter. I also prefer Wimsatt's Mobile Slaughter & Butchering, based in Colton, for on farm slaughter.

Poultry and fowl are killed through exsanguination, emu are killed through decapitation. Both methods result in rapid death that is as humane as possible.

Do you sell milk?
No, I don't sell milk.

Do you sell hatching eggs?
Yes, hatching eggs need to be ordered ahead of time and are $3.00/dozen for mixed breeds (although you may specify brown, green or white), and $6.00/dozen for purebred birds. We currently can supply purebred bird eggs for the following breeds - Golden Laced Wyandott, Silver Laced Wyandott, Plymouth Barred Rock. In 2011 I will have eggs and chicks for Dark Cornish and possibly for Cornish Cross.

Can I buy an animal produced on the farm (other than horses) and take it home?Yes, when you place an order for an animal or buy one that we already have, you may leave it here and I'll grow it for you to slaughter size, or you may take the animal home at purchase. All we sell here are live animals. We expect that you will take a horse that you buy home.

How do you feed your animals, and what kind of feeds do you use?
Hoofstock (horses, cattle, goats) are fed hay and most have access to pasture, the stallion and heifer being the current exception and have a mineral/salt block and or loose mineral supplement. They also, from time to time get a ration of grain or all purpose livestock feed. Grain is also used as a training aid, the paycheck for doing a good job.  I feed local hay when possible.

Poultry are fed layer pellets, scratch grains (cracked corn and wheat).

Emus are fed an all purpose livestock feed.

Rabbits are fed rabbit pellets (alfalfa pellets), hay, forages and a mineral/salt supplement.

None of the feed is certified organic.

How do you manage animals in the winter?
The chickens have a heat lamp in severe cold weather. All other animals have access to shelter and I like my animals to go into winter with extra weight, which helps insulate them as well as providing extra energy during harsh weather. This has been my policy for the past 15 years and it has worked well.

During the shortest days of the month I keep a light on in the chicken coop, which helps keep the egg production a little higher in those months.

Are your laying chickens and meat birds free range, pastured, confined?
The laying hens and their attendant roosters are all free range. They have their choice of roosting in the coop, barn trees, etc. They also have their choice of laying in the nest boxes in the coop, or elsewhere in the barn, hay stacks, or anywhere else their hearts desire. It makes egg collection a bit interesting at times, but that's why our chickens lay nice rich eggs.

Chickens kept for meat, including extra roosters, are kept either in chicken tractors (movable pens) or in flight cages.

What do you do with spent hens?
We sell spent hens to people interested in slaughtering them, we also eat some of them ourselves. I may make some spent hens available to the wildlife rehab center as well to feed raptors or other predators.

What do you do with the manure from the animals?
The manure from areas that I can harvest it, is composted and used as a soil amendment. Manure from the hens, emus and goats is left where it's deposited with the exception of the chicken coop and the run in shed for the goats, that manure and bedding is harvested and composted for use as a soil amendment as is manure and hay bedding from the brooders.

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What about the emus? (4.00 / 4)
Also, I can say because I've been there that Joanne's animals live the good life. When she says the chickens are free range, she REALLY means free range. They live outdoors with virtually no restrictions on where they go and what they do.

"I can understand someone from Iowa promoting corn and soy, but we are not feeding the world, we are feeding animals and soft drink companies." - Jim Goodman

excellent (4.00 / 3)
really wonderful joanne.

i wish i could buy from you!

come firefly-dreaming with me....


Great diary, Joanne (4.00 / 3)
Sort of o/t, but not really:  Your comments about slaughtering reminded me of an incident in Westchester County, NY, that I heard about in the early/mid 1980s.

The guy, an immigrant (but I can't remember what country he originally came from) slaughtered a goat in his backyard.  The neighbors (affluent white people) called the cops on him.

Not sure how he hid the carcass...but I don't think he was ever arrested.

heh: my point is, I guess, that I wish more people were in touch with where their food comes from.  Chicken is not miraculously killed, plucked, de-gutted, and cut up & encased in plastic.  For example.  If you're going to eat meat -- as I do -- at least acknowledge its source.  Too many of our fellow citizens seem to have a total disconnect between what they're eating and "those cute farm animals" if you know what I mean.

The most remarkable thing about my mother is that for thirty years she served the family nothing but leftovers. The original meal has never been found. -- Calvin Trillin


Thanks (4.00 / 4)
I was conflicted about adding in the part about slaughter. But in the end, I figured, we raise meat animals, and in order to maintain transparency, I figured that it was best that I include some info. Some people will probably be offended, but, I agree completely with you. If you're going to eat meat, or if you're going to raise meat animals and slaughter or have them slaughtered, best not to hide from what you're doing.

I can sympathize with the neighbors, and understand the side of the guy who slaughtered the goat. Often times when you go to slaughter an animal, unless you shoot it from a distance (not possible in many situations), that animal has to be handled in a manner that stresses it, simply because it's movement is being restricted,  and/or you're entering the animal's flight zone.

Then there's the killing, which is messy to say the least. The gutting is pretty messy too.

For people who aren't familiar with the slaughter process, even if you do things in a humane manner, and you're very quick about things, it can be quite traumatic for the uninnitiated to view. Even if an animal is rendered insensate through stunning or shooting with a fire arm, the body convulses, and it will look like you're torturing the animal.

If you kill without stunning, as are poultry/fowl when hanging by the feet or a killing cone is used, they struggle, and as they are bled out the body will convulse. I don't have any killing cones yet (I still have to make them), so I hand the chickens by their feet and hold them while I slit their throats. They die by exsanguination (bleeding to death). Very shortly after the throat is slit they loose consciousness (lack of blood and oxygen to the brain), but the body convulses and if you don't hold them you'll be covered in blood, gory and from a pathogen standpoint, not what I want to experience. Breaking the neck or decapitaion results in instant death, but also wild convulsing. With emus we slaughter through a heavy gate and stay on our side until the bird has stopped moving completely.

If a person doesn't know what they're watching, it can be pretty horrific.

On the other hand, when a person does their own slaughter on a fairly regular basis, you become used to the process, and even if you don't become deadened to is (I know for a fact that I'll never get deadened to it for various reasons), you do know what to expect and you know why certain things are happening. That can appear to people as calousness, and insensitivity.

Normal people scare me.... But not as much as I scare them.


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That's one reason why I eat fish and not meat (4.00 / 4)
By the time I was eight, I could dig up worms, catch a perch or smallmouth bass, kill it, gut it and prep it for the table. I have no problem with catching my own fish. I don't think I could kill and clean a bird or mammal, therefore I have no business eating birds and mammals.  

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That's an honerable way to be (4.00 / 4)
I would do the same as you.

Normal people scare me.... But not as much as I scare them.

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Callous? Joanne, your comment (4.00 / 3)
reminded me of Sarah Palin, during the election cycle, holding forth as turkeys were slaughtered behind her.

That's callous.  People slaughtering (or hunting) their own food is, well, just normal.

Here's where the NRA and I part company: I can see having a rifle to hunt the food you will put in your freezer for the winter.

But I don't understand handguns in a city.  They are mostly used to shoot other people.

The most remarkable thing about my mother is that for thirty years she served the family nothing but leftovers. The original meal has never been found. -- Calvin Trillin


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I said that becoming used to a process can be <i>seen</i> as callous (4.00 / 4)
by others, especially if you slaughter in the presence of people who don't know what you're doing. That's why I don't go out and shoot an emu or hang up a chicken on the fence right next to the highway, and then slit said bird's throat.

I was appalled when the turkey was slaughtered behind Palin. Not because I saw anything wrong with turkey slaughter, and the guy who was doing the slaughter looked like he was thinking "I can't believe they actually told me to go ahead and keep working". The guy killing the turkey was doing everything appropriately.

Sarah Palin, or who ever on her staff told the guy to go ahead and keep working and/or told the cameras to roll, was the idiot. How could you not know that something like that wasn't going to shock people not familiar with it? I definately think there was some callousness evidenced there, although I don't know if it was toward the slaughter process or towards the general public. And if it was actually Sarah who told the guy to keep on working, I forget if it was or not, well, just reinforces my opinion that Sara Palin is an idiot anyway.

On the handgun in a city issue, I'm not so worried about the handgun as I am in the person who thinks so little of his/her fellow human that they could kill someone for any reason other than the direct defense of their own life or another's.

That old saying 'it's not guns that kill people, it's people who kill people' is a tired old cliche, but that doesn't mean it isn't the truth.

If I really want to kill someone, I don't need a hand gun, any number of objects around a person in any environment can be used to kill or maim a person. The only thing that allows a person to do something like that is their attitude. In other words, it ain't the tool, it's the hand that wields it.

Normal people scare me.... But not as much as I scare them.


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The positive side of hawks (4.00 / 4)
Redtails, and many species of owl, are death on rodents. Barn owls especially, are known to be good mousers and ratters, and are too small to eat your chickens and cats. Redtails don't eat cats, but will nab an occasional chicken.  

Yeah, I know about the raptor vs rodent dynamic (4.00 / 3)
I whish we had some barn owls around our place. Instead we have a great horned, and a family of redtails. Back when I had the silky chickens, there used to be a male redtail who liked to sit on the peak of the barn right over the entrance to the chicken coop and shop for dinner.

He'd swoop down and pounce on my silkies. Punctured one about 50' from me one day. I ran over in the hopes that he hadn't killed the bird yet, but it was too late. Harold asked if I was going to bury the bird, but I said "No, I'll just let him come back and get it". Sure enough, I went in the house and when I came back out 20 minutes later the chicken was gone. I'm assuming it was the hawk come back, there weren't any other predators around that would have come in that fast.

My problem is that most of the rats we have in the barn are living in the barn, not out in the field where the hawks are hunting. I suppose that if the raptors get 'em in the field then they won't be around to come into the barn.

When the new chickens are old enough to go out, they're going into the field with the goats. The hawks are more hesitant to hunt in the goat pen. Too much activity I think, and it's right between the neighbor and our house (about 200 or so feet seperate the houses) and the highway runs right along one long edge and there are a few pedestrians who are brave (or foolish) enough to walk along the highway.

Normal people scare me.... But not as much as I scare them.


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[schemes to get a barn owl] (4.00 / 3)
You did mention there was a wildlife rehab near you? Do they ever get any barn owls? Could you volunteer your barn as a nice cozy space for a barn owl (or two) to recuperate in?  

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That's a good idea! (4.00 / 3)
We know a gal who volunteers at the raptor center, I should ask her if they ever get barn owls that need a home when they're better.

Something else I need to encourage are bats. Every once in a while I'll be out in the barn after dark and almost get run over by a bat. The little guys come in and get confused by the lights some times, but I only see them  a couple times each year. I should put up some bat boxes. I know that bats can get rabies, but so can any other wild mammal out here, I generally vaccinate the horses, cats, etc. for that so I don't worry over much about it.

Normal people scare me.... But not as much as I scare them.


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