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Best Radio Interview I Ever Heard

by: Eddie C

Thu Mar 04, 2010 at 18:06:08 PM PST


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I doubt I'll be convincing anyone to listen to this and with the topic being factory farming the issues are already familiar to most here. But it was the most informative thirty-five minuets I ever heard on the American food industry.

The interview is from today's Leonard Lopate Show. Lenoard is a twenty-five year veteran of public radio in NYC and he covers food issues very often. Leonard is interviewing David Kirby who two days ago posted a very informative 6 Baby Steps Toward a More Sustainable Animal Diet and his book Animal Factory: The Looming Threat of Industrial Pig, Dairy, and Poultry Farms to Humans and the Environment has been getting a lot of attention.

In the interview Mr. Kirby sums up industrial farming and the broken American food system with a vivid description of the conditions he has witnessed as an investigative reporter. One of the hazards of his work being manure flu. He points to the contamination caused to our air, land, water, and ourselves by factory farms. Did you know that MRSA kills more Americans today than AIDS?

They discuss the many people who are fighting to restore sustainable farming practices and some of the reasons our elected officials seem so powerless, those powerful business interests behind large-scale factory farms. But he is far from pessimistic, some stalls and some signs of progress while stressing that we need to do more than vote with our forks. We need to stay on top of elected officials with constant letter.

If you can find the time, here is the interview page (where you can leave comments) and here is the audio;

In the last exchange about Blanche Lincoln's bill that is intended to put manure spills on par with rainfall for corporate farms, Leonard Lopate pointed out "And She's a Democrat!" David Kirby sarcastic reply "Barely." If David Kirby writes as well as he speaks, I've got to read "Factory Farming."

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From that MRSA link above (4.00 / 3)
Bacteria typically become resistant to antibiotics through exposure to them. The finger of blame for the emergence and spread of antibiotic-resistant bacteria -- a spread that apparently began in the early 1990s -- is generally pointed at human overuse of the drugs, especially in hospitals, where until recently MRSA was most often seen and transmitted. But while MRSA may be most easily transmitted in a hospital, that doesn't mean the bug developed its resistance there. When it comes to the overuse of antibiotics, even the most profligate of hospitals can't touch the sheer amount thrown around down on the farm.

Today, by most estimates, farming consumes many more antibiotics than human medicine does. No one, including government agencies, has definitive numbers, but in 2001, the Union of Concerned Scientists released a now widely accepted estimate suggesting that up to 84 percent of all antimicrobials (a slightly broader category that includes antibiotics) were being used in agriculture. Studies conducted in Europe -- and one just released in Canada, the leading exporter of pork to the United States -- suggest that farm animals are at the very least reservoirs for heretofore-unseen strains and that the animals are passing those strains on to their human caretakers. Here in the United States, however, scientists have yet to study the possibility that agriculture may be playing a role in the changing nature of MRSA -- even though the way we raise the food we eat may be making us sick.

In the interview there is a discussion about this increasing and the part the food industry is playing in a possible upcoming superflu.


Louise Slaughter... (4.00 / 3)
US Congresswoman Louise Slaughter (D - NY 28) has been on top of this for a while now, but as you may have guessed her attempts to pass legislation remedying the problem have been met with hellfire and brimstone from pretty much everybody involved with the industrial food system.

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GREAT interview (4.00 / 4)
I wrote about Rick Dove in my book too. He's great.

"I can understand someone from Iowa promoting corn and soy, but we are not feeding the world, we are feeding animals and soft drink companies." - Jim Goodman

He was so succinct that it makes the perfect food issue 101 (4.00 / 2)
I was thinking that a few minutes was almost as informative for me as my long weekend at Slow Food Nation. But that probably had a lot to do with Leonard Lopate. He is like the Bill Moyers of NYC radio and he is great with food issues. I think  his number one guest is Michael Pollan and the number two slot probably belongs to Eric Schlosser. It is a shame but I think he is only on WNYC and WGBH. He should have a slot on NPR.

Of course around here people are much more advanced than 'food issue 101' but it makes for a good study of presentation. Me, I've only heard of Rick Dove from you and had to Google the name when I got home.

By the way, after the interview I called WNYC and upgraded to sustaining member. Told them it was because of Leonard Lopate work towards sustainable farming and his coverage of food issues. I got a free year of The New Yorker out of the gesture that will cost me a buck a day.      


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Blessings of the inet (4.00 / 3)
Thanks for the information. WNYC and WGBH both are in the iTunes News/Talk radio list as well as being accessible via their own websites.

[ Parent ]
Leonard Lopate... (4.00 / 1)
Far and away the best thing on New York radio, imo...

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David Kirby Rocks (4.00 / 4)
Great Interview!

I noticed David mentioned dairy briefly in the interview and then mentioned some good organic practices.
However, he did not touch on the raw milk dairy industry, which I believe is the most sustainable (and healthy I might add) dairy in your country (I'm from Canada, so it is illegal to sell raw milk here). These farmers really get sustainable farming and treat their cows well because they know they don't have the luxury of pasturizing there milk when they find shit in it, literally!....
I'm not a 100% only raw milk advocate, but it needs to be consider a viable option, especially by locavores!  


Coincidence, I think not (4.00 / 2)
I've been a huge fan of Leonard Lopate for years and have probably made more than a few comments about him but this is the first time I ever devoted a diary to his show.

I tuned in today and today is Leonard Lopate's Twenty-fifth anniversary on WNYC.

And the dust segment was pretty interesting to. I got me to vacuum the apartment.  


vacuum (4.00 / 2)
Did you do it eight times?

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Well perhaps next time (4.00 / 2)
I'm all about progress, not perfection.  

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The interview (4.00 / 2)
is worth listening to more than once.

Eddie, your manure flu link is a dramatic testament to the power of political corruption. I can think of no reason except greed to condone poisonous point source air pollution. The technological control has been available for decades. We called it a thermal oxidizer, to avoid scaring the neighbors by using the word "incinerator." No reason not to require control just because the point source is "agriculture." For a CAFO barn, the cost per pound of meat would be minicule. Merely installing afterburners wouldn't be sufficient, of course: removal efficiencies can be 90-99%, but they need to be operated correctly. Regulators should impose emission requirements and impose stiff penalties if requirements are not met.

From the executive summary of a report published in 2000:

AIR QUALITY RESEARCH AND TECHNOLOGY TRANSFER WHITE PAPER AND RECOMMENDATIONS FOR CONCENTRATED ANIMAL FEEDING OPERATIONS

by

Confined Livestock Air Quality Committee of the USDA Agricultural Air Quality Task Force

To maintain a safe and economical food supply, producers must have sufficient lead-time, cost-effective technologies, and resources to adjust to changing public agendas that include air quality protection.  To continue this predominance in agricultural production, the USDA Agricultural Air Quality Task Force (AAQTF) established by Congress in the 1996 Farm Bill, recommends an additional $65 million be annually appropriated for agricultural air quality issues.  Of this amount, $12.8 million should be specifically targeted for CAFO research needs.

These problems have been recognized for a long time, but nothing is being done.

The article is about a situation in Indiana, but here's some interesting work by a couple of Iowans, Bob Watson and Larry Stone. From Civilized and Inclusive: Policies and Politics for Humans

Appendix A

...

4. Even though Iowa DNR says they can't regulate confinements and open feed lots like they do other entities with fecal waste and poison gasses, that statement is not true. Because of a snafu by the State of Iowa when originally applying for EPA's NPDES Permit program in the 1970's, Iowa wasn't enrolled in the program and had to create their own "Permit to Operate" laws, which the EPA accepted as a mirror program. Those rules, Iowa Administrative Code 567.64.3, included not only point source wastewater treatment plants, but also included CAFO's. Under 64.3(1)h.(2) those CAFO's cannot be excluded from regulation. Those rules are still on the books and could be used immediately to regulate CAFO's (by a request to do so of the County to the DNR Director) as wastewater facilities thusly (but not limited to):

a: require monitoring wells around storage lagoons, concrete storage tanks, and fields being used for application.
b. testing requirements of waste for, but not limited to, nitrogen, phosphorus, E. coli, antibiotics, hormones, and other pollutants.
c. set rules for manure storage capacity.
d. set minimums for the depth to groundwater under storage facilities.
e. require tests of tile lines and adjacent streams where manure is applied.
f. impose requirements to prevent waste from running off fields.

(Iowa Code 2003: Section 455E.5 Groundwater protection policies. #3 All persons in the state have the right to have their lawful use of groundwater unimpaired by the activities of any person which render the water unsafe or unpotable. #4 All persons in the state have the duty to conduct their activities so as to prevent the release of contaminants into groundwater.)

Etc. The key is, do regulators have the guts and gumption?

Looking for resources: a report published in 2007, apparently online in 2006

Environmental Health Impacts of Concentrated Animal Feeding Operations: Anticipating Hazards - Searching for Solutions


Miniscule (4.00 / 2)
Minicule should be a word, if it isn't, but I meant miniscule.

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Excellent comment (4.00 / 2)
I cross-posted your comment it at Docudharma and Progressive Blue.

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Blanche's bill (4.00 / 2)
From the Joplin Independent

2007-09-05 16:52:54

Sen. Christopher Bond (R-MO) is on the list, at least as of August 26, 2007, of 25 co-sponsors of S.807, a bill introduced last spring by Sen. Blanche Lincoln (D-Tysonville)...

Ouch.

From the same article,

Those opposed to Lincoln's bill and H.R. 1398, a similar bill proposed in the House by Rep. Collin Peterson (D-MN) and 122 scary co-supporters like Rep. Roy Blunt (R-MO)...

Kirby might have mis-spoke. The bill was introduced in 2007 and didn't get out of committee. I haven't been able to find a reference to a similar bill in this (111th) Congress, but I might be wrong. (I checked only the Senate, not the House.)

Speaking of S.807, correct me if I'm wrong, but with the exception of Landrieu and Ben Nelson, aren't all these cosponsors Republicans?


They all sound repug to me. (4.00 / 2)
And good catch. I noticed it was old when I looked it up but I just assumed it was reintroduce every two years.

Funny I searched here so I could use a link from Jill but came up empty. I should have known then.

Still that is an outrageous payoff to factory farms.    


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3333 (4.00 / 2)
This is LVL Diary #3333.

Jill, what prize do we have for our lucky winner?

What? We weren't having a contest? Oh, OK then.


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