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Compromising

by: Jill Richardson

Sun Jan 10, 2010 at 11:01:17 AM PST


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They say that as a parent you'll do things you swore you'd never do. Well, I'm not officially a parent, but I'm the unofficial parent to two little girls. Each one is a challenge in her own way. Here are a few things I've done that I would "never" do as a parent...
Jill Richardson :: Compromising
  1. Hiding Food: Generally speaking, I don't believe in hiding food. This is a trend in which the parent hides healthy foods inside of other foods the kid is willing to eat. I think that defeats the point in a way. After all, you should teach your child to eat well. Even if you succeed in getting some spinach down your child, if he or she doesn't realize it then there's no learning that took place.

    That said, our older daughter refuses anything that might have any sort of nutritional value. She'd gladly live on breakfast cereal, bagels, pizza, cheeseburgers, and mac n cheese. Plus dessert, of course. We put vegetables on her plate every night but she rarely touches them. With her diet, I wonder if she ever poops. Often she's cranky and we suspect her poor diet plays a role in her mood. Quite frankly, I've had enough. She's a delightful girl when she's not being moody.

    The other day she asked for a snack and I offered her a smoothie and let her help me make it. Strawberries, blood orange juice, a banana, soy milk (she's allergic to milk), and - when she wasn't looking - some wheat germ. I would have slipped spirulina and a few vegetables in there too if I thought she wouldn't notice. I think she'd catch on if the smoothie turned green though. Sure she didn't get the valuable lesson about whole grains and fiber that she probably needs to learn, but at least I got a few vitamins in her for a nice change.

  2. Marketing Food with Popular Characters: Our little one lives in a world completely filled up with her favorite characters. She takes Toy Story vitamins, wears Ariel clothes and pajamas (even underwear!), and when she gets hurt we give her Dora band-aids. The other day we were at the store and there were boxes of clementines with Nemo all over them. She LOVES Nemo. Ugh. I'm not even for branding HEALTHY food with cartoon characters. It still teaches the kids to choose their food based on their favorite characters endorsements. Even if Disney is supposedly pursuing only "responsible" marketing (like the clementines), that doesn't help us out with characters from other, less responsible marketers. (In other words, if we teach that you should pick your food based on the cartoon character on it, even if Nemo appears on clementines, what happens when Sponge Bob shows up at Burger King?)

    Well, as luck would have it, our little one is on a Princess Bride kick. And I'm on a buttercup squash kick. I didn't connect the two until the other day my boyfriend said with a grin, "She'll love it when we tell her we're eating Buttercup." Aha! Oh my god! Now I tell her all the time: "I'm eating Buttercup, do you want to try some? We're growing Buttercup in the garden! See, right here." She giggles and goes "You're kidding me!" I even got her to try a bite of the squash - and of course, she replied, "That's yucky." I'll keep trying.

  3. Food Bribery: I don't like the idea of food bribery because it assigns positive and negative values to food. If I offer you a cookie in exchange for doing something I want you to do, then cookies must be really good. This goes even further when dessert becomes the reward for eating vegetables. Using that logic, vegetables must be pretty bad. But lately, bribery seems unavoidable.

    Our little one was recently potty trained. I think the big switch over to panties came in mid-October. And, after some initial success, she's recently had a period where she seemed to be peeing in her pants (and on the floor, and outside, and in her carseat, and on my feet) ALL THE TIME. Like, several times a day. At first we'd just ask her "Do you need to go potty?" rather frequently and if she said no we left it at that. But it gets old when you're cleaning up pee all. the. time. So now I've resorted to bribery.

    Yesterday my boyfriend was on his way out to the nursery to pick up some stuff for the garden and he planned to take the little one with him. I was outside in the garden but then heard crying and came in to quite a scene. She needed to go potty (we can tell because she crosses her legs and holds her crotch) but refused to. He was absolutely frustrated, wondering aloud why on earth she wouldn't just go to the bathroom when she had to go. I gave her a hug and offered her a cookie if she went potty. She walked away and threw her shoes angrily.

    The truth is that everyone was going to get a cookie anyway. The kids and I had just baked a batch of "chocolate crinkle cookies" together and they had just come out of the oven minutes before. I asked my boyfriend if he wanted a cookie. He said yes and I told him he could have one - IF he went potty. Then I asked where our older daughter was. "She's going potty," said my boyfriend. "Oh," I replied, "Then she gets a cookie." I added that I wanted a cookie so I would go potty too. As soon as the bathroom was free, our little one ran in there to go potty. When she came out I gave her a cookie.

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I struggle with bribery (4.00 / 4)
In general, I think making food part of a reward system is a bad idea. But one of my wise mom friends objects that we shouldn't be so uptight about it. In her view, there's no difference between occasionally offering a treat as a reward and saying to yourself, I finished cleaning up the house, now I'm going to relax with a cup of tea and a cookie.

Our kids get a certain number of sweets they're allowed per day. They can choose when to have them, within reasonable limits. Some days that means they have used up all of their sweets by 1 pm, and I just remind them that they won't get any sweets later. I feel that they need to feel empowered to make food choices, but I can't give them total free rein or they would eat nothing but carbs and sweets.

On potty training, we have taken a very laid-back approach. I figure, if they don't want to go without a reward, they're not ready to be potty-trained. On the other hand, when one of our kids seemed to be wanting to use the toilet but feeling a little scared, we did offer rewards. In our case it was tv time rather than food (we are pretty extreme on the tv limits front).


re: TV (4.00 / 3)
we just got rid of cable. The kids haven't figured it out yet. As for the potty training stuff... she's nearly 3. Maybe she's not ready. I think it's a power struggle though... unrelated to the toilet. Usually she gets choices about things because we know that's how to avoid power struggles. So it's the non-optional stuff (i.e. no candy for breakfast, go to the bathroom before we drive for 3 hours, etc) that ends up as a power struggle. Bribery diffuses that. But I've resolved the big nightly battle about potty - going before bed - by asking if she wants to read one story and THEN go potty. She usually agrees to that. I don't know why she agrees to that, because she won't agree to other choices I give her. I'll ask if she wants to put on her jammies or go potty first and she'll say she wants to put on jammies but not go potty. But the read one book, then go potty thing works.

"I can understand someone from Iowa promoting corn and soy, but we are not feeding the world, we are feeding animals and soft drink companies." - Jim Goodman

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that's a good trick (4.00 / 4)
Do you want to brush teeth first, or use the potty? Do you want to put on pajamas before or after you brush your teeth and use the potty?

I read one time of a brilliant scheme these parents developed. Using cardboard from an old box, they made a big cube. On three sides of the cube they put fun stuff (e.g. jumping on the bed for 1 minute). On the other three sides they put brushing teeth, using the potty and putting on pajamas. Their child got to roll the die as many times as needed to make sure they got the whole bedtime routine done.

One of my kids was using the potty regularly before age 3, but the other refused until age 3 1/2, even though we could tell he had physical control (he would stay dry for hours, then wet his diaper minutes after we got home and ask to be changed).


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My kids both read at 3 and toilet trained at 4. (4.00 / 4)
You can imagine the consternation when they read a book while I changed their diapers.  I finally just told them that when you are four there are no more diapers.  If I had waited like the books said, they probably would have graduated college in them or something.

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for whatever its worth.. (4.00 / 4)
I held a lot of beliefs about kids and foods. Changed my mind a million times. Looking at my now 19 year healthy vegan daughter I must have done something right.At age 8 she was chunky and the worst junk food eater. I used to "allow" her 2 oreos a week...

Some lessons learned along the way.

The only thing I absolutely refused to do was cook something entirely different than what we ate. There was always something I could grab like yogurt carrots or some kind of protein in the fridge. No fights over what was on the table, just offer what's in the fridge and limit the lectures on good and bad food especially with girls. Even at an early age giving them some control over what goes in their body goes a long way. In third grade she her school taught math and fractions by reading nutritional labels and she never ate a lunchable again.When friends come over and you feed them, be aware that many of their friends don't eat like we do. I was reminded of this when my daughter was 7 and I served gazpacho and hummus with whole wheat pita to her friends. Try experimenting with different textures of food. Kids seem to always like dips, even bean dips. My 3rd cousin who is 3 just ate an entire bowl of my cannelini dip.
(cannelini garlic, olive oil and oregano)


I'm bad on that front (4.00 / 4)
I frequently cook them separate food from what we are eating. I have friends who never do that, and admittedly their kids are "good" eaters, but those friends don't like as much weird food as I do! I look at what I eat now and what a picky eater I was at the ages my kids are and figure it's not realistic to expect them to eat what we eat in order to get a hot meal. Also, I am not willing to give up the meals I love in order to always be cooking something they will tolerate.

I totally agree with you on dips. That is a great way to sneak in good things for most kids (not my younger son, though!). My older son likes to dip pretzels or crackers or even sometimes carrot sticks.


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our kids get different (4.00 / 2)
food than us a lot. Sometimes it's that they get cheese pizza and we get veggie. Or they get burritos with beans and cheese and we get ours with beans, brown rice, and veggies. But sometimes they get mac n cheese and we get veggies, beans, and rice. It's not what I would do but I'm not the chef or the parent.

"I can understand someone from Iowa promoting corn and soy, but we are not feeding the world, we are feeding animals and soft drink companies." - Jim Goodman

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food allergies (4.00 / 4)
even before you said your older daughter was allergic to dairy, i was guessing she had some food allergies.  picky eating & cranky behavior are classic signs.  and the fact that she's allergic to one thing makes it more likely she's allergic to something else... maybe even soy... or gluten... any suspicions you guys have?  i've heard many success stories of kids having big behavior improvements and suddenly widening their palates once the offending foods are removed from their diets.

as for smoothies - we don't hide the fact from our kids that we're putting in greens or spirulina.  but we blend up well if we're using greens so it's not too chewy, and we add raw cacao powder, which really masks the green-ness - not that they mind, but it might help your daughter!  raspberries and blueberries also impart a darker color to smoothies to help hide greens if you need to.

and our dessert policy (our kids are 5 and 2) is to let them have one treat a day, except for extremely special conditions - like a handful of times a year.  the treats range in size from a hershey kiss to a scoop of ice cream with a small piece of cake (e.g. birthday parties).  most days it's very small.  we also make refined-sugar-free desserts sometimes and let them have more of that - a big favorite here is to blend up soaked dates with avocado, banana, and cocoa powder to make a pudding.  top with whipped cream.  mmm :)


oh YUM (4.00 / 2)
gonna try that date/avo/banana/cocoa pudding!

"I can understand someone from Iowa promoting corn and soy, but we are not feeding the world, we are feeding animals and soft drink companies." - Jim Goodman

[ Parent ]
I've made cocoa/avocado pudding before (4.00 / 3)
It also had maple syrup in it. I thought it was great, but my kids weren't as enthusiastic.

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i don't know if this will help (4.00 / 3)
but here are my thoughts:

you are having a bit of a time because these kids have not always been given nutritious "real" food.

i had a similar situation in that my in-laws lived about 100yds away. their ideas & mine about nutrition were completely opposite. they thought cake cookies & ice cream, kool aid & coca-cola were perfect snack foods. i thought apples, raisins, yogurt, fruit juice or water were perfect snack foods.
BUT.....there was no way i could not let my kids visit their grandparents.

so. first off i came to the conclusion that their rules were for their house, but that my rules applied at my house. believe it or not it took me awhile (& much frustration) to figure this out!

at my house we had set meal & snack times. there was no "swinging on the refrigerator door"!
once in a very great while we had potato chips, cokes or other purchased "normal" snacks... as a special treat (for example the first camping trip each year)

the thing i did mostly was to involve the kids in the growing & preparing of the food. so we would have L's salad or  B's squash. i tried to make the food FUN. cut sandwiches into stars or octagons, or use cookie cutters & make mini sandwiches. i'd also use metal cookie cutters in a fry pan & make different shaped eggs or pancakes.... or add raisins or blueberries & a peach slice to make a smiley pancake. i found if it looks cool they'll eat it.
try cutting vegetables into different shapes & get creative in naming things.
i'd drag a fork down the sides of  carrots or yellow squash, then cut very thin, steam & call them gold doubloons... put the honey pot on the table & let them drizzle a bit on the carrots...a little won't hurt!

or arrange the food to look like something else!

What makes food fun to eat?

A study in mid 2006 put this question to 3,230 children from 6 to 12 years and mums of 2 to 5 year olds. It found that most children agreed on a few characteristics that make a food fun to eat.

The six "fun" things named are;

   * Finger foods - kids love eating with their fingers
   * Dipping and scooping - kids think it is fun to dip or scoop their food into another food.
   * Add-ins - kids enjoy taking matters into their own hands by adding things to their food such as sauces or toppings.
   * Fillings and icings - fillings and icings tend to make foods appealing to kids
   * Silly shapes and cool colours - kids like foods that come in interesting shapes and colours
   * Portability - kids like to be able to take food products with them

here's a link from the yuk-to-yum site that has some ideas to get you started.

also. we had a one bite rule. everyone HAD to try one bite, no excuses. everyone is allowed ONE item they NEVER have to eat.  i've read that children often must try new foods 8-10 times before they decide they like it.

about your picky child....
yeah, she'd rather have sugary breakfast cereal or bagels or whatever.... & i'd rather have a mansion & someone to clean it!
please do not take offense but...
YOU & your sweetie are the parents! it is your decision what she is served, not hers.
she should be given the same thing everyone else is eating. she should try one bite of every item on her plate, refusing the items she doesn't like is her choice.... however~ there should be NO dessert for one who doesn't eat their supper & no second helpings of meat until half your veggies are eaten. (i always served at least 2 veg. so they could eat all of one or half of each) & no evening snacks either.
you may be thinking but she'll be hungry
no. or not very many times anyway!
you & your sweetie need to decide on the plan of action together & then put it in place. have a family "meeting" & explain the new rules. explain that everyone must follow these rules.
what this will ultimately do is let her know that you both are standing firm on this, together as a team; that rules ARE rules and must be followed & there ARE consequences for being stubborn(hunger)

an article i found for you about a no-vegetable kid: the Great Big Vegetable Challenge

a cool blog for you: What's Cooking Blog



come firefly-dreaming with me....


Similar to my experience... (4.00 / 3)
i had a similar situation in that my in-laws lived about 100yds away. their ideas & mine about nutrition were completely opposite.

...except I had to struggle against everybody.  Not only her other family, with whom she lived half-time, but also my sisters and my mother.  Gha!!!

I didn't really get too much into the "compromise" thing (believe me, she had all the "goodie" crap she could have ever wanted with her other family, that's all they ate, and it was appalling) myself, but I did try to make meals "fun".  We cooked a lot, and went grocery shopping together.  I don't know how, and I don't even know if it was because of anything I did, but my daughter loved all vegetables (maybe it's because she "cooked" them?).  The things we ate most were rice + little cubes of chicken + whatever veggies we could find.  She left most of the vegetables sometimes, but still.  She was never a big eater, and would leave most of the chicken sometimes as well.  

"Garbage Chili Night" was always the most fun, though.  Dump a bunch of shit in the pot, in the great tradition of our Irish ancestors, along with some beans and tomatoes, and boil it!  I don't think one ever came out great, but neither of us said anything. :)

When we'd have things like, say, french fries with dinner, we made them ourselves from scratch.  They sucked, but it was the thought that counted!

Maybe if I was a better cook back then...

I never tried the "cutting stuff into shapes" thing.  D'oh!

This is great!

we had a one bite rule. everyone HAD to try one bite, no excuses. everyone is allowed ONE item they NEVER have to eat.  i've read that children often must try new foods 8-10 times before they decide they like it.


"The essence of the independent mind lies not in what it thinks, but in how it thinks." - Christopher Hitchens

[ Parent ]
yes the two household thing (4.00 / 2)
is rough. They learn one reality at the other household and then we are "mean" because we won't go along with it here. And my bf's definitely improved the nutrition of the food around here since I came into the picture. The kids aren't thrilled about that at all!

"I can understand someone from Iowa promoting corn and soy, but we are not feeding the world, we are feeding animals and soft drink companies." - Jim Goodman

[ Parent ]
Yeah, I've been on both sides... (4.00 / 2)
On the other side, I've also had girlfriends who had kids before, where I didn't know what or how I'd ever figure out how to get involved in the whole nutrition thing...

In the short term, any immediate, incremental gains we can make at home are what to shoot for.  In the long term, well.  Let's keep doing what we're doing!

"The essence of the independent mind lies not in what it thinks, but in how it thinks." - Christopher Hitchens


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maybe (4.00 / 2)
you won't be perceived as "mean" if you let them help "cook" & make food "fun"??

i started letting mine 'help' as soon as they could stand on a chair & reach the counter. even as young as age 2 they can stir things, or pour liquid into flour (just use a larger measure cup for smaller amounts- like a cup measure for 1/3cup of water)
of course you'll have to mix after they do to 'make sure you got all the stuff from the bottom'...

the older child should be able to slice veggies now (maybe not hard veg like carrots) & the younger child could wash the veg for her sister to slice, & pour water into the pan to steam them....

there are many good cookbooks made for children.
one i have that i love is The Redwall Cookbook
all of the recipes are vegetarian & all of them come from the Redwall books by Brian Jacques a wonderful series about mice & moles & badgers etc who live in the woods & fight evil animals from taking over Redwall. they always have wonderful feasts & the whole group contributes to the making of it. these say 9-12yrs old but i bet your older girl would like these read to her....she may even be able to read them herself!  

come firefly-dreaming with me....


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diet recommendation (4.00 / 2)
Pay close attention to my reasoning here:

People become overweight because we eat too much. We would eat less if we had less appetite. As all of us were told by our mothers, the way to ruin appetite is to eat snacks, especially before meals.

THEREFORE:

The way to lose weight is to eat cookies before breakfast, lunch, and dinner!


brilliant! (4.00 / 2)
i'm having cookies right now w/coffee!

come firefly-dreaming with me....

[ Parent ]
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