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Machismo and Meat

by: Jill Richardson

Thu Dec 03, 2009 at 22:58:54 PM PST


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I've long wondered about the machismo associated with meat. What's so manly about eating unhealthy quantities of unhealthy food produced via factory farming? Yet, the manliness of meat is undeniable. Sure, you'll meet male vegans and vegetarians... and I'm sure somewhere out there you can also find men who ask for directions, men who wear pink shirts, and men who don't mind going to the store to buy tampons for their wives. Those men must all be very secure in their manhood.

I found details on the link between machismo and meat this past week, when I wasn't really looking for it. I went to visit my parents, where I had no access to the internet. In my boredom, I picked up an old anthropology textbook from college and started re-reading it for fun.  

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One of the essays in the book was called "Society and Sex Roles" by Ernestine Friedl. She seeks to understand why males are dominant in so many societies and why "evidence of a society in which women control all strategic resources like food and water, and in which women's activities are the most prestigious, has never been found." To find the answers, she looks at hunter-gatherer cultures that still exist today, saying:

Foraging has endured for two million years and was replaced by farming and animal husbandry only ten thousand years ago; it covers more than 99 percent of human history. Our foraging ancestry is not far behind us and provides a clue to our understanding of the human condition.

Hunter-gatherers are people whose ways of life are technologically simple and socially and politically egalitarian. They live in small groups of 50 to 200 and have neither kings, nor priests, nor social classes. These conditions permit anthropologists to observe the essential bases for inequalities between the sexes without the distortions induced by the complexities of contemporary industrial society.

Her conclusion? The source of male power is meat. She elaborates:

When men in a hunter-gatherer society return to camp with game, they divide the meat in some customary way...

Vegetable foods, in contrast, are not distributed beyond the immediate household. Women give food to their children, to their husbands, and to other members of the household, and rarely, to the occasional visitor. No one outside of the family regularly eats any of the wild fruits and vegetables that are gathered by the women.

The meat distributed by the men is a public gift. Its source is widely known, and the donor expects a reciprocal gift when other men return from a successful hunt. He gains honor as a supplier of a scarce item and simultaneously obligates others to him.

These obligations constitute a form of power or control over others, both men and women. The opinions of hunters play an important part in decisions to move the village; good hunters attract the most desirable women; people in other groups join camps with good hunters; and hunters, because they already participate in an internal system of exchange, control exchange with other groups for flint, salt, and steel axes.

It makes sense why meat provides a source of power. But a second question must be asked: Why don't the women hunt?

The author answers this question quite well. First of all, it's practically impossible to simultaneously hunt and gather. You've got to do one or the other. If you've got your arms full of gathered food, it would be pretty hard to chase down a deer and throw a spear at it without dropping everything in your arms. For that reason, it makes sense why each person is either hunting or gathering but not both. The gathering job goes to the women because they can perform it while pregnant or carrying a baby or small child.

In the last part of the essay, the author compares various hunter-gatherer cultures. As it turns out, the larger percent of the diet the male hunters are responsible for supplying, the more power they have over women. In one culture, the Washo Indians, men and women hunt, fish, and gather food together. Among their culture, men and women are relatively equal. The extreme opposite are the Eskimos.

Among the Eskimo, representative of the rarest type of forager society, inequality between the sexes is matched by inequality in supplying the group with food. Inland Eskimo men hunt caribou throughout the year to provision the entire society, and maritime Eskimo men depend on whaling, fishing, and some hunting to feed their extended families. The women process the carcasses, cut and sew skins to make clothing, cook, and care for the young; but they collect no food of their own and depend on the men to supply all the raw materials for their work. Since men provide all the meat, they also control the trade in hides, whale oil, seal oil, and other items that move between the maritime and inland Eskimos.

Eskimo women are treated almost exclusively as objects to be used, abused, and traded by men. After puberty, all Eskimo girls are fair game for amny interested male. A man shows his intentions by grabbing the belt of a woman, and if she protests, he cuts off her trousers and forces himself upon her. These encounters are considered unimportant by the rest of the group. Men offer their wives' sexual services to establish alliances with trading partners and members of hunting and whaling parties.

So there you have it. Historically, meat was associated with male dominance.  

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Good points... (4.00 / 4)
I read this, while looking over at my pink & white striped dress shirt I have hanging up on the bedroom door, waiting for my next real interview...

Here is one very secure hetero-vegetarian male with no confidence problems.

:)

The "meat / calorie provider thing" is also an aspect of evolutionary psychology research written about (sometimes controversially) by David Buss, and others.


well from what i read (4.00 / 3)
the food provided by women made up most of the diet in many societies, but the thing is - gathering vegetable foods is a sure thing. You go out to collect nuts and berries and you come home with nuts and berries. Meat is harder to get. For every 4 days of hunting, you come home with meat once.

"I can understand someone from Iowa promoting corn and soy, but we are not feeding the world, we are feeding animals and soft drink companies." - Jim Goodman

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Exactly... (4.00 / 3)
And that's why I, personally, would be more inclined to argue that the "gathering" part of the equation was in the end more important the the "hunting" part.

Especially after we figured out the whole "agriculture" thing...


[ Parent ]
it's a good start (4.00 / 2)
and an interesting thinking point that I didn't realize before, but I think it needs to be discussed in a more complicated sense.  From my experience in Anthropology and native groups in Northeast America in college and grad school, the fact that generally men hunted and women gathered did not automatically mean that men had the most power.  In many societies (here in the Northeast at least), women held a great amount of power because of the fact that they provided the majority of the food, and in a constant supply.  If a woman didn't like what her husband was doing, she would put his belongings outside the wigwam, and that was his signal to get out.  

However, delineating such roles can be very difficult, due to the fact that most of our information is from European men.  They not only brought their own biases about traditional gender roles to the "New" World, but enforced these on traditional peoples, i.e. refusing to list women as property owners, refusing to recognize women chieftains, and generally ignoring the evidence for women's power in such societies.

Ahh, those were such fun classes to take


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Bias (4.00 / 1)
Think of the historians. Herodotus, Thucydides, Livy, Publius - women aren't there. Later Christian historians recognize women as martyrs, and that's about it. In the 18th century, Edward Gibbon admitted that women existed, but seemed to think they were not fit subjects for historians.

I just looked through a copy of the 1931 edition of The Outline of History, by H.G. Wells. In a comprehensive chronological table that begins with the construction of Carthage in 800 B.C., the capture of Queen Zenobia and her removal from Syria to Rome in 272 A.D. is mentioned, then no more women appear until, again, the eighteenth century - Maria-Theresa, Empress Elizabeth of Russia, Catherine the Great of Russia. Columbus is mentioned, but not the woman who sponsored him and expelled the Muslims from Spain. The names of women are nearly absent from a massive index.

Regarding your other point about the power women accrue by controlling the household - this is recognized by some NGOs working some places in Africa and Asia now.


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Gotta agree with you on the bias thing (4.00 / 1)
How we see things, is largely influenced by how we think things should be, as opposed to how they really are. I see this in my own perceptions as well although I try to keep it to a dull roar.

Your examples of the historians serve as good examples of this. During the times that those men were around, they were part of male dominated socio-economic systems. It's not surprising that they wouldn't have paid much attention to or given much weight to women in power or female dominated societies.

Regarding locavores as elitists - explain to me how supporting local business is elitist....


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Perception (0.00 / 0)
Our perceptions are shaped not only by how we think things should be, but also by who get to write the stories, or by whose stories are saved and transmitted to future generations. After scholarship changed in the twentieth century, for example, we found out a lot more about the power of women in ancient Greece and ancient Rome. In Rome especially, women weren't the engineers and generals, but they could control the collective purse strings when they got together. Women in the class of people who produced Senators, anyway. Women had property rights and ownership rights that women did not have in the U.S. until the twentieth century.

This discussion is interesting in the context of feminism. We could probably more fairly say that, in the twentieth century, women began to "take" their rightful place in history, than that they were "given" it. Change did not come voluntarily or easily. Perhaps much of the backlash against feminism comes from men who feel a need to control the narrative, and who lost that power.


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Yeah I gotta agree with you on this (4.00 / 1)
Perhaps much of the backlash against feminism comes from men who feel a need to control the narrative, and who lost that power.

I used to listen to Rush Limbaugh a long time ago, untill I got sick and tired of hearing him whine about Bill Clinton. Rush used to always talk about the 'Feminazis'. I always got the impression that he was so defensive about women who were trying to move up in society because he felt threatened by them. I don't know if that was actually the case, but he sure gave me that impression.

It's interesting, my experience in construction. When I first began working in the trades, quite often I'd be the only woman working on the job amongst several hundred men, especially on the really big commercial jobs. From 1990-1999 I worked on almost every new commercial building/project that had lots of stone, especially dimension stone, in Portland and Salem. You would think that I would have run into a lot of chauvanizm, especially from the old timers. Everyone said I would, including my uncle. But of all of those men I worked with I only ran into one who was a horse's ass about women working construction, and he was a guy my age at the time. Everyone's attitude was that, hey, if you can do the work we don't care who you are. Nowadays, of course, there are lots of women in the trades, not as many as men, but still, it's not unusual at all to see women electricians, tile setters, plumbers, carpenters, etc.


Regarding locavores as elitists - explain to me how supporting local business is elitist....


[ Parent ]
If you're so insecure about your sexuality (4.00 / 1)
that you need to eat a lot of meat, dress in stuff that's not pink, and do stuff like that, you very well might be gay (no insult to gay people!)...

Vote for yourself at www.ni4d.us!

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a thought there (4.00 / 2)
it has a lot more to do with maleness than gayness I think. I've hung out with a lot of gay guys in my time. It's not as if they are eager to stop and ask for directions any more than a straight guy would be.

"I can understand someone from Iowa promoting corn and soy, but we are not feeding the world, we are feeding animals and soft drink companies." - Jim Goodman

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Yeah (4.00 / 1)
In a very simple way, I think it has to do with masculinity.  I was just being clever about it.

Vote for yourself at www.ni4d.us!

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Food Distribution (4.00 / 4)
> When men in a hunter-gatherer society return to camp with game, they divide
> the meat in some customary way...
>
> Vegetable foods, in contrast, are not distributed beyond the immediate
> household.

I suspect this is due to the fact that meat tended to come in large quantities, and needed to be eaten in short order before it went bad, so it made sense to share with your neighbors. This is even more true if the tribe engages in group hunting for extra-large animals, as for mastodons many millennia ago and bison only centuries ago.

Vegetables, on the other hand, could be gathered in smaller quantities and would keep longer.

On the plus side, the meat gathering and distribution does demonstrate the inherent cooperative nature of humans. No "Atlas Shrugging" here!

P.S. There are a number of great books by Carol Adams such as "The Sexual Politics of Meat" that demonstrate the consequences of this meat/masculinity relationship:  http://caroljadams.com/

-- Andy


My first memories of Machismo and Meat (4.00 / 3)
come from the Flintstones.. which, If I've heard correctly, Sarah Palin believes is a documentary. I remember the monster meat and the way that it was positively portrayed. To this day if I see a big steak I refer to it as a Brontosaurus. And remember those huge Tyradactyl(sp?) eggs, Fred got a hearty breakfast out of those.  

Brontosaurus burger! (4.00 / 3)
Hell, those things tipped over Fred's car at the drive-in!

[ Parent ]
I remember some huge ribs tipping over (4.00 / 2)
his car.. those nonverbal cues are so powerful.. I still get hungry thinking about the Flintstones.

[ Parent ]
When I think of... (4.00 / 3)
When I think of the Flintsones, I actually think of the calluses Fred & Barney must have developed on their feet from their cars' "braking" systems, and I'm also glad I never had to walk on their streets.

Heh...


[ Parent ]
Remember (4.00 / 4)
when you kill an animal, it's not just meat that you get. You get hide and sinew for shelter, clothing, tools, etc. Bones and horn for tools and other implements, feathers for decoration, pelts to keep you warm in the winter if you're in a part of the world where you need that type of clothing. Fats to render for cooking and maybe to keep you from getting wind burn, cold, or to keep your skin from getting dried out in the hot/dry part of the year. You get parts of the guts for other uses. Quills, teeth, claws that are all useful. Parts of the animal may also have medicinal uses, such as the emu with it's fat that yeilds an oil contianing a natural anti-inflamatory.

Nowadays, we go to the store and all we see are steaks, roasts, chops, burger, etc. but it's easy to forget what all animals provide to people who don't live in our high tech society.

Hunter gatherers don't have any of the things we have that have replaced most of the animal uses that are obvious, like meat and leather, perhaps a pig ear here and there as a treat for the dog, or any of the other, not so obvious uses that we, as a society, have all but forgotten about.

As we became agriculturists and pastoralists, then we became even more dependant on them through domestication. We became dependant on them for traction, food, protection, transportation.

I'm not speaking to the sexual stratification of society, I'm just addressing the fact that it's not just meat that made and still makes animals and hunting (later herding, etc.) important and important from a trade perspective.

Regarding locavores as elitists - explain to me how supporting local business is elitist....


Meat and Machismo (4.00 / 4)
Reminds me of a Hummer commercial that ran a few years ago. It starts in a grocery store check out line where a vegetarian man who's buying carrots lettuce etc sees another guy loading up on meat, charcoal, beer and other barbeque items. The vegetarian guy looks at the other guy with a feeling of inadequacy. The vegetarian immediately goes and buys a Hummer. It shows him driving off and it says "restore the balance". I thought it was ridiculous. I always suspected guys that drove Hummers were compensating for something, just not a lack of eating meat.

"To be honest with you, if someone says they're being honest with you, you should probably be skeptical" My Dad

hahahahaha!!! (4.00 / 3)
Expensive way to compensate. My guy drives a minivan and he's a vegan... he doesn't have to compensate for ANYTHING!

"I can understand someone from Iowa promoting corn and soy, but we are not feeding the world, we are feeding animals and soft drink companies." - Jim Goodman

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BS! (4.00 / 3)
It's all about compensation for small penises.  ALL OF IT.

Vote for yourself at www.ni4d.us!

As a woman who hunts... (4.00 / 3)
As a woman who hunts, I find this very interesting.

I love distributing meat to friends and family and don't necessarily draw power form that.

But I do gain power from distributing hunting OPPORTUNITIES in our modern society, where hunting is tightly regulated and access to the best spots can be highly restricted. There's definitely an ethic of "I give you an opportunity now, you owe me one later" and vice versa.

It's definitely a resources question - when resources are scarce, or at least hard to come by (in the case of game animals, where there's no guarantee of success), whoever holds resources holds power.

And I can say with great certainty that none of this is compensation for a small penis as the last commenter asserted. Since, you know, I don't actually have one, nor do I wish I did.

(I also appreciated Joanne Rigutto's comments.)

-Holly Heyser


I don't think the assertion that (4.00 / 1)
power comes from meat applies in modern day society. The mere thought of Sarah Palin killing wolves from a helicopter takes away any idea that men hold any power over women where meat and hunting are concerned.

"I can understand someone from Iowa promoting corn and soy, but we are not feeding the world, we are feeding animals and soft drink companies." - Jim Goodman

[ Parent ]
Agreed, but... (4.00 / 1)
... within the hunting community, access to good hunting does still hold power - it's just not gender exclusive anymore.

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