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The Chicken Project: Public Comment at City Council

by: Jill Richardson

Tue Nov 10, 2009 at 20:23:13 PM PST


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As noted here before, I'm conspiring to get a small flock of backyard chickens. Only it isn't legal where I live. Today I attended a City Council meeting and submitted 3 minutes of Public Comment about why we should legalize chickens.  
Jill Richardson :: The Chicken Project: Public Comment at City Council
Current laws prohibit animals that are dangerous or noisy. Chickens - hens specifically, because I'm not asking them to lift the ban on roosters - are neither dangerous nor noisy. Well, they cluck. They don't cluck very loudly, and they don't cluck at all at night.

I gave 4 reasons why hens are desirable pets:

1. They are fun pets. They are very social and can be quite docile as well.
2. They give you eggs. Depending on the hens' diet, the eggs can be more nutritious than those bought in a store, with better fats, less cholesterol, and more vitamins.
3. They eat things we don't want, like kitchen scraps, weeds, and bugs.
4. Their poop is useful fertilizer.

Additionally, it should be noted that chickens require about 2 sq ft per bird in a coop (or 4 sq ft per bird in a chicken run). Also, it takes 4-5 chickens to poop as much as 1 average dog. In other words, we aren't talking about a major odor problem here. Nor are we talking about an animal that requires a large yard. As for the noise, chickens have the lovely habit of putting themselves to bed every night when it gets dark. During the hours when noise from animals would be especially unwelcome, your chickens will be roosting and asleep. And even during the daytime, they just aren't that loud compared to turkeys or roosters - or compared to dogs.

Last, I noted that this was a common change in laws cities were making around the country and I would be glad to provide examples of what others have done so we can make our laws right for us. A good idea is to outlaw problems associated with chickens rather than outlawing chickens themselves. For example, you can require that the chickens be kept in a coop that is well-maintained. You can ban slaughtering birds in a residential zone. You might require that people get a chicken license and register with the city. Some places say the chickens need to be a certain number of feet from any neighbor's property, although I hope our city doesn't do that. I certainly didn't make that suggestion.

(Quite truthfully, I spent the last several days on a farm with a flock of chickens, turkeys, and guineas right outside my bedroom window. When I napped during the day, I couldn't hear the hens at all. But oh boy could I hear everybody else! And the roosters went off at 3am last night! Still, given the lack of a noise problem associated with hens, I hope there's no restriction on how far they must be from the neighbors. That is a method that is sometimes used to effectively ban chickens, actually, by requiring them to be so far away from the nearest neighbors that nobody's yard is big enough to qualify.)

One of the council members asked if roosters were required to make chickens lay eggs. The answer is no. It's kind of like a human female - you still ovulate and get your period even with no men around. You just can't have a baby without a man. Same for chickens.

The council decided to pursue the matter at a later meeting. One man from the city government gave me his contact info and remarked that the city is quite interested in sustainable food production. I need to write him a formal letter requesting a zoning law change to allow small flocks of hens in residential zones. I will do that, and I don't know where we go from there. Presumably the matter will come up at a future city council meeting but I don't know when or in what fashion.

Previous installments in my chicken project:
Part 1: Initial Planning for Chickens
Part 2: Oops, it's not legal

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Excellent! (4.00 / 6)
Re: the noise, I'm just thinking about my 'hood here - there's probably almost as many chickens as people here in Creston-Kenilworth, a relatively dense (for Portland) urban (mostly) residential neighborhood.

Off the top of my head, I can name probably 30 things in just 30 seconds that are more obnoxious and louder than hens, which I frankly don't hear at all while walking down the street.  Would that that were true, however, for motorcycles, trucks, lawnmowers, dogs, people congregating outside the bar smoking, delivery vehicles at the c-store across the street, the Brooklyn Train Yards where I hear trains all night long from 12 blocks away, road crews, emergency vehicles' sirens... hell, even the clicking / beeping thing that the pedestrian crossing signals do when they change to "walk".

"The greenest building is the one already built" - Carl Elefante


agreed (4.00 / 6)
they are no louder than a cat's meow - provided the cat is NOT in heat. Cats in heat are loud. Chickens are not. Well, hens anyway.

"I can understand someone from Iowa promoting corn and soy, but we are not feeding the world, we are feeding animals and soft drink companies." - Jim Goodman

[ Parent ]
Mine can get pretty loud (4.00 / 3)
when they're laying an egg.  Again, it's not nearly as loud as cars or trains or construction work or anything like that.  And it is a short sound and if you're inside you wouldn't hear it unless you're listening for it.

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[ Parent ]
Yep, you're right (4.00 / 4)
I'd forgotten about that. Now I remember why I try to stay out of the barn until after 1:00pm. They also get kind of loud and agitated if someone is sitting in 'their' nest area/box. I've got 3 or 4 white hens who have decided that the back porch is where to lay, specifically in the jacuzzi tub (it's still in its crate). Two will get in there at the same time, and the third will stand outside the thing and squak and squall...

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[ Parent ]
Ooh, another interesting point... (4.00 / 6)
One of the council members asked if roosters were required to make chickens lay eggs.

This brings up another interesting question - I wonder how many people (lawmakers, neighbors who oppose allowing hens, etc...) really know absolutely nothing about chickens, but just automatically think of all of them as loud because they're typically thought of as a stereotypical barnyard animal?

Especially in this day and age, where (through no fault of their own) most Americans are many, many generations removed from "the farm", how would they really know unless they sought out the information or had it brought to their attention in the first place?

I know I didn't really know much about chickens myself up until just a few years ago...

"The greenest building is the one already built" - Carl Elefante


another detail i just learned (4.00 / 5)
is that when hens lay fertile eggs, the eggs don't begin to develop until she starts sitting on them. So if she has a clutch of eggs laid over the course of the week, they all begin to develop and then hatch on the same schedule.

It's funny, I think people mistakenly think roosters are required for eggs, but forget that having a baby cow is required to make milk.

"I can understand someone from Iowa promoting corn and soy, but we are not feeding the world, we are feeding animals and soft drink companies." - Jim Goodman


[ Parent ]
I was surprised about this too when I first began breeding birds. (4.00 / 6)
But it makes sense once you know the biology of a fertile egg. We are used to mammalian reproduction, where as shortly after fertilization, the ovum begins to devide. With birds, this is not the case. In birds the ovum is fertilized by the sperm cell, the two fuse, but remain dormant until held for a period of time at the proper temperature. And that makes sense for an animal that can lay only one egg per day or every few days (as in emus). You want them all to hatch at the same time, so you restrict cell division until mom or dad actually start setting. A simple and elegant solution to a potentially species breaking problem.

Of course, if you don't have a rooster, you don't have to worry about the dormancy thing.

When we store hatching eggs here, I hold them at 50-60 degrees farenheit for no more than 14 days for artificial incubation or for up to 30 days if I'm going to let another bird incubate. The eggs also have to be rotated twice/day to keep the yolk more or less centered, as eggs age, the chilaize (the rope of protein that holds the yolk in position) breakes down and by the end of a couple of weeks-a month, it's pretty much gone.

Why the big discrepancy in storage time for viable hatching eggs between artificial and natural incubation? That's the big mystery for me. Why is it, that with a fancy incubator, regular turning, and spot on temp and humidity, do eggs need to be set so soon after laying, but if I put those same eggs under a little silky hen, I can store the eggs for a whole month, she's on the nest and off to eat, drink and poop, the eggs are warmed/cooled/turned on an irregular schedule, etc. and the hatchability, even after all of this, is as good or a bit better than me with my fancy ass equipment.

Maybe it's that silkies have been doing this a lot longer than we have....

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[ Parent ]
Odor (4.00 / 6)
I'd be really interested to hear what you discovered about odor from poultry based on your recent first-hand experience. One of my grandmothers kept (in a fenced yard) a couple dozen hens and a like number of rabbits until I was in my teens. That was a long time ago, but honestly, I don't remember any odor at all outside the chicken coop or rabbit hutch. If there was odor inside the coop or hutch, there was not much.

I've never smelled anything (4.00 / 5)
from chickens or other poultry if they are out on pasture. Even an enormous field full of nearly full-grown turkeys didn't smell. What smelled bad was a mountain of chicken manure on a farm that came from a confinement (they were using it for fertilizer), and the hog confinement with 4000 hogs, and the dairy farm w 700 cows. Usually you only get a stink if it's a lot of animals with a lot of poop.

Exception here is when I had a bunny and now my cats, using litter boxes. They get stinky if you don't clean them. My thought for chickens is that I'd put litter in the coop and compost it. I read something about the "deep litter" method of raising chickens, where you put about 6 inches of litter (like straw) in the coop and let the chickens poop in it. They'll turn it for you and peck the bugs out of it as it composts. That sounds like a good plan for me.

"I can understand someone from Iowa promoting corn and soy, but we are not feeding the world, we are feeding animals and soft drink companies." - Jim Goodman


[ Parent ]
I don't think you'll have any odor problems, or anything like that (4.00 / 6)
One thing I would caution you to do and that is regarding the specific breeds you look at getting. Don't get White Leghorns or California Whites. In my opinion, they aren't suitable for urban hen keeping. The reason for this is that once they get it into their minds to go somewhere, they'll raise hell and put blocks under it to get there. They fly like the wind, and won't hesitate to do so if a fence or other object is in the way.

You've been out to my place, and you've seen all the chicken crap all over everything out here. That's all fromt he leghorns and Cali whites. The reason the heritage hens, a normally sedate bunch of birds, fly all over the place and roost up in the tree instead of in the coop in the barn, and get up onto things, won't stay in the fences, etc. is all because of the white layers. We've had chickens out here, running loose like this, for as long as we've been out here, and hever had problems untill we got the leghorns and Cali whites. They're ring leaders, and chickens are extremely good at learning behaviors from their flock mates. They're very clever that way.

As long as you stick with the more sedate heritage breeds, you should be fine as far as not pissing off the neighbors with birds going over your fence to see 'what's over there?'.

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[ Parent ]
Agreed entirely (4.00 / 5)
I am looking at birds that are docile and OK w/ confinement. Game breeds are also out of the question as far as I'm concerned.

"I can understand someone from Iowa promoting corn and soy, but we are not feeding the world, we are feeding animals and soft drink companies." - Jim Goodman

[ Parent ]
Yep (4.00 / 5)
I've never kept the game breeds but I wouldn't be surprised if they weren't like the white layer breeds. Those birds are a 'force of nature', lol. I love 'em, but god they give me the peedoodles sometimes....

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[ Parent ]
I've gotten the impression that they are (4.00 / 4)
not very docile... much more wild.

"I can understand someone from Iowa promoting corn and soy, but we are not feeding the world, we are feeding animals and soft drink companies." - Jim Goodman

[ Parent ]
I have Barred Plymouth (4.00 / 3)

Rocks. They're wonderful. I choose them because of their docile nature as well as their general hardiness since I have snowy winters to deal with. In the past they were one of the most common basic barnyard chickens. They're dual purpose though so far I only use the eggs. In the summer they were laying on average 4-5 eggs per week which is pretty decent.

I basically let them out in the am and forget about them. They look after themselves without too many problems. I have lost a couple of hens to predators which besides dogs isn't that much of problem in most cities. The only other issues I had was with two of the roosters. One of them somehow managed to drown in a bucket and another got stuck in a pile of wood and somehow manage to break it's neck. I felt really bad about that but I guess that sort of thing does happen in a farm type setting where they aren't penned up all day.  

As far as noise goes the roosters are something else when I had four of them it was just a day long crow fest. I think they were competing, the hens not so much. Just gentle cluckity clucks which you only hear if you're right near them. There sound doesn't carry very far. Kids playing in yards are much louder.  


[ Parent ]
Speaking as "the neighbor"... (4.00 / 6)
I can't speak for Jill or those who own chickens, but I can definitely speak as the close neighbor of literally hundreds of chickens.

I've never smelled a thing walking around my neighborhood here (or any other in Portland, for that matter - pretty much every inner neighborhood around here is a "hen haven"); and even in a friend's backyard, right down the block from me, who keeps five hens (up to five hens are allowed without a permit in Portland, I believe), I've never smelled anything that could be described as an "animal odor", or even smelled anything at all for that matter.

Your "odor-less" memory seems to be correct, unless there are certain breeds that do have them?

"The greenest building is the one already built" - Carl Elefante


[ Parent ]
I have 14 chickens (4.00 / 3)

that range in the yard during the day and roost in a coop at night. In the winter they stay inside more.  I use straw as bedding since it's easily available where I am.  The only time they ever smelled was in the summer when it was really hot and I neglected to clean out the straw or add new straw for a few weeks. Even so you could only smell it right up at the coop and it wasn't bad, just a faint ammonia smell.  It was my fault that it smelled at all. I equate it with a cat litter box. If you don't clean it will eventually smell. As long as you do and it's really easy to tell before it goes out of the coop then the only smell is straw or whatever you might use for bedding.  My cat litter box (my fault again) has at times ended up more stinky then the chickens ever have.  

[ Parent ]
Ugh (4.00 / 5)
My grandma compared chickens laying eggs to women menstruating, too.  Bleh.  Might have to lay off the eggs for a few days...

Seems like you're doing well (and good!).  You're probably in an area that's very receptive to your message, generally, which is a good thing.

You live in a city, and not the suburbs, right?  Because I feel like there might be more resistance to this in some suburbs, where more uniformity and quietness is liked.  

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Chickens in DC (4.00 / 3)
Some friends of mine are going through a very similar episode with the DC city council.  See http://www.voiceofthehill.com/...  The law does allow for chicken keeping within the district but has a couple of interesting restrictions.  For example, the chickens can't be within, I believe, 50 yards of another residence.  In a densely packed city that eliminates a huge number of places.  (I assume that this particular law is a carryover from days when there were more open outskirts within city limits that looked more like farming country.)  It also requires a written opt-in from all residents living within 100 yards.  Within a 100 yards in a rowhouse neighborhood, there are likely to be people who never leave their houses, others who speak no English, (or Spanish, she is concerned about an elderly Chinese neighbor) and still others who use phrases like, "I don't sign NUTHIN."  

Our city council member is recommending an incremental approach on urban ag issues (there is also a legal tweak afoot to make it easier to keep bees.) With luck, the 50 yard requirement will be history and the 100% signoff will be changed to 80% with no active objections.

I'll keep you posted.


CLUCK: Calgary Liberated Urban Chicken Klub (4.00 / 3)
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Benefits to raising 6 or less hens (no roosters) in the city include:
1. Fresh eggs
2. Chickens reduce organic waste
3. Chickens produce fertilizer
4. Educational for children
5. Chickens are people-friendly.
6. Chickens eat bugs, reducing our backyard pest population.


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