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Sue Me, Sue Me, What Can You Do Me...

by: Jill Richardson

Thu Oct 29, 2009 at 15:49:06 PM PDT


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Sorry for the cheesy Guys N Dolls lyric for the title. I went to bed last night feeling awful and woke up feeling worse. I've got a horrible cold. It was this low grade no big deal lingering thing until I decided to smoke some recreational herbs to commemorate my late brother's birthday two nights ago. I should have known better. When I finally felt human enough to pick up my computer, I found emails telling me that my Alternet article on raw milk was up and that there were threats to sue me from Mark McAfee. What?

I wrote this article because it seemed to me that the FDA - a highly underfunded arm of the government - was wasting a lot of time over nothing on raw milk. It's not that raw milk never made anyone sick. Rather, to me, it's a question of going after the biggest threats first and dealing with the little ones subsequently. In the case of raw milk, raw milk consumers very often have personal relationships with their farmers. Yes, some risk may be there, but the consumer is able to assess the risk much more effectively than when they buy products at the supermarket. There were many more deaths over peanut butter in the last year than raw milk. I'd rather just let the raw milk people drink their raw milk and have the FDA focus on bigger problems. A good compromise would be that raw milk follows safety regulations to make it as safe as possible while still keeping it legal.

To research the article, I spoke to both sides of the raw milk debate. I spoke to VERY PASSIONATE people on both sides. I tried to look for facts on both sides. Unfortunately, there was just about no way on earth to get the two sides to agree on one set of "facts." The regulators believed in safety data that the raw milk drinkers thought was bogus. The raw milk drinkers believed raw milk gave you health benefits that the regulators thought was, at best, irrelevant. So I tried presenting both sides and suggesting a compromise solution.

Throughout my research, one particular raw dairy stuck out - Organic Pastures, owned by Mark McAfee, the colorful California dairyman who is interested in sending me a letter from his attorney. He didn't stick out for being bad or good, just for being different. He's the largest raw dairy and he also holds a LOT of political power. Sometimes the debate over the broad question of raw milk gets hung up on issues that are McAfee-only issues, just because he engages in some practices that are unique to him. (I've drank raw milk from several sources and only McAfee's was available to me at Whole Foods, for example. Usually I get it directly out of the bulk tank at a dairy farm, for free because it can't be sold legally.)

You can read McAfee's comment below. By the time I woke up today it seemed that a huge commotion had come and gone. The Google alert for my story says "Got Raw Milk? Think Twice Before You Drink It." I didn't write that title. I didn't even make that point very strongly in my article. My writing was more about the balance between keeping consumers safe from unconscionable businesses vs. allowing consumers the freedom to take a risk if they wish to. By the time I got to the Alternet piece, the title was "The Battle Over Raw Milk: Let's Ditch the Hysterics and Give People a Choice." That's more in line with what I wrote. The subtitle said "Few foods provoke such strong reactions (for and against it) as raw milk. Find out why." That's also in line with what I wrote. Yet from the comments it seems that an earlier subtitle blamed raw milk for autism and asthma. That is the exact opposite of what I wrote. I wrote that evidence supports that it HELPS autism and asthma.

So here's what Mark McAfee wrote to me in the comments:

Please review your data and research. Raw milk and fermented raw milk helps autistic kids like no other food on earth. see www.californiarawmilk.org for testimonials from moms that say just that and more. Autistic kids have terrible disbiosis and GUT issues. One of the best food therapies is the reseeding and feeding of the missing gut bacteria. This bacteria comes from raw milk and fermented raw milks, not pastuerized dead milk or dairy products. Just like breast milk...raw milk heals like no other food.

Also...Organic Pastures Dairy has never ever bottled one ounce of another dairies raw milk...not one drop. This is a blantant lie and an untruth spoken to try and hurt OPDC and misslead our consumers.

I ask you to print a retraction or face a letter from our attorney.

Lastly....Dr. Mike Payne ( a "GOT MILK" CMAB PhD at UC Davis )has testified under oath that he does not think that raw milk is safe under any conditions. He stood against SB 201 along with CDFA and UC Davis. SB 201 established very strong HACCP type protections for raw milk in CA. SB 201 was vetoed by the governor after UC Davis ( Mike Payne ) and CDFA "back doored" the legislative process. SB 201 had passed both houses of the legilsature and was on the governors desk when it was vetoed...now Mike Payne demands a HACCP program for CA raw milk. This is an outrage and disingenious.... he speaks with forked tongue!!

Raw milk is a choice made by consumers and that is the end of the story. All of the crying and sniveling done by Mike Payne and others is irrelavent. The people drink raw milk and will defend that right at the legislature ( and they have already done so ). When the SB 201 hearings were held last year....the FDA and CDFA did not even show up ( Senator Dean Florez had invited them to please be present ) yet they did not even show.

The 50,000 people that consume raw milk in CA could careless what UC Davis or big ag sayes about their personal choices. Raw milk in CA must pass all of the standards for pastuerized milk with out being pastuerized. It is clean yet it is biodiverse,enzyme rich and very safe.

Jill....how come you never called me for an interview prior to posting this piece. It is poorly researched and is filled with political crap that is unsupported by fact or documented history in the legislature and the courts. Much of what you have said in your article is just not so....it is false.

Please call me anytime...I will give you the facts and you can confirm them.

1-877 RAW MILK....I take calls from all of our consumers everyday and I will take yours also.

All the best,

Mark McAfee
Founder OPDC
Fresno CA

Oh boy.

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how can you (4.00 / 3)
be responsible for what Alternet & Google do?

this guy is whacked.

come firefly-dreaming with me....


Great article Jill (4.00 / 2)
♥~

come firefly-dreaming with me....

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Truth shall set you free. (4.00 / 3)
Hmm. I can see that McAfee might have been offended if he were a large McDonald's franchisee. Also, if in fact he has never bottled OR SOLD milk from another dairy - well, perhaps you should have discussed that with him.

In other respects, though, he seems not to have read your article. Maybe he responded to something he was told by someone else?

Well, Jill, you just learned a lesson - next time you agree to write for AlterNet, you need a contract specifying total author's control of the article's presentation.


I am pretty sure I read in David Gumpert's book (4.00 / 3)
that McAfee did outsource his colostrum from another dairy because his demand exceeded his capacity. And Gumpert spoke directly w/ McAfee and also cited legal cases and state hearings on raw milk.

"I can understand someone from Iowa promoting corn and soy, but we are not feeding the world, we are feeding animals and soft drink companies." - Jim Goodman

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heh...Jill, you have my sympathy (4.00 / 4)
I have absolutely NO interest in drinking raw milk.  I have no interest in drinking any milk whatsoever.  But I have a lot of sympathy for someone whose words were taken out of context, sliced & diced, & then used for a threat of a lawsuit.

Tell what's his face to stop going after you and start going after the idiots in the government who refuse to allow us to eat raw milk cheese.  I've eaten it in France -- I've eaten everything I could in France -- and none of it made me sick.

Here?  Fucking peanut butter!  I mean, no, I wasn't a victim of it, but Jesus Christ.  Fucking peanut butter kills people!  And they're worried about raw milk cheese imported from France, a country with much more stringent health regulations than our so-called regulators employ because, after all, regulations might shave .001% of profits?

Gah.  The whole issue makes me want to throw bricks.

But I wish you the best of luck in getting what's-his-face's minions to read what you actually wrote instead of what they think you wrote.

The most remarkable thing about my mother is that for thirty years she served the family nothing but leftovers. The original meal has never been found. -- Calvin Trillin


PB (4.00 / 2)
I feel compelled to note that that PB might have been OK if the bird shit had been pasteurized before it was added to the mix.

(Ouch! Ouch! Hey guys, stop throwing shoes at me!)


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Uh oh... (4.00 / 2)
I have a block of raw milk sharp cheddar in my fridge right now that I picked up from somewhere here last weekend, hope my apartment isn't raided this weekend!

;-P

Heh, actually... the screwy thing is that raw milk cheese, as long as it's aged 60 days, (I ain't telling whether mine was or not! :)) is legal for sale everywhere in the US.  As for the milk itself though, there's a mish-mash of regulations that is almost impossible to decipher unless you're a lawyer, but apparently raw milk is legal to sell in 28 US states under certain conditions.  My state (Oregon) is one of them, but even here untangling the regulations can take years to figure out what is and is not allowed.

Five other states on top of that allow sale of raw milk for "animal consumption", which can technically be construed to include humans (we are animals, after all), so that makes 33.

But yeah, of course - some are focusing on raw milk, while ConAgra and their ilk continue to sicken (and kill) how many thousands and thousands and thousands of Americans every year, from their supposedly "super-safe sterile industrial food factories"?

I don't drink milk myself, but?  Put a gun to my head, and I'm choosing the raw milk over a pot pie or a Big Mac any day...

"The essence of the independent mind lies not in what it thinks, but in how it thinks." - Christopher Hitchens


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Products suitable for 'animal comsumption' are automatically classified as (4.00 / 3)
'not for human consumption'. In Oregon you may sell raw milk as long as you have no more than 2 cows lactating or 9 goats lactating. I believe that the animals must be in their second lactation. I think you have to be inspected even if you sell for animal consumption.

All of these regs are the reason why I will not be selling milk, raw or pasturized, to anyone for any reason. I'll be making cheese for myself, and feeding milk (hopefully) to a couple of calves I intend to raise for rose veal next year. I may have a goat for lease, but the person leasing her will have to come out and do the milking themselves.

Regarding locavores as elitists - explain to me how supporting local business is elitist....


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That should have been no more than 3 cows (4.00 / 3)
and in addition to the rest of the regs, you may not advertise that you have raw milk for sale.

Regarding locavores as elitists - explain to me how supporting local business is elitist....

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Oh great. (4.00 / 2)
You already have too much to do, and now you'll have to teach people how to milk goats!

[ Parent ]
raw milk cheeses (4.00 / 3)
must be aged a certain amount of time because they kind of "self pasteurize" in that time. So nothing to be alarmed about there. What you don't want to eat are "bathtub cheeses" which are illegal and often made from milk intended for the pasteurized market.

"I can understand someone from Iowa promoting corn and soy, but we are not feeding the world, we are feeding animals and soft drink companies." - Jim Goodman

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Oh, not alarmed... (4.00 / 1)
And I know what you're talking about there, and I certainly ain't going for them.  There was a big thing here not too long ago about the "queso fresco"-type cheeses that sickened a bunch of people, sold out of back doors in some neighborhoods here, and there actually might be some movement next legislative session due to that, to introduce some legislation which could harm local food producers who do things the proper way.  

I'll be watching that, and I won't be alone...

"The essence of the independent mind lies not in what it thinks, but in how it thinks." - Christopher Hitchens


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The thing I don't get about the Queso Fresco (4.00 / 3)
that supposedly sickened people is that the only recipes I have for queso fresco call for the milk to be brought up to 180-190 degrees farenheit, which should kill any bacteria. Remember, meat need only be brought to 160 according to USDA in order to kill pathogens. For pasturization, the milk has to be brought up to 145 and held for 30 minutes. On top of that, queso fresco is made through acidification, typically 1/2 cup of vinegar to 1 gallon of milk. I would think that all of that would probably do in any critters in the milk.

If people are making and selling fresh farmstead cheese in their neighborhoods in a city, considering what fresh cheese sells for in the store, I wouldn't be surprised if they weren't buying pasturized milk at a store and making cheese from that. I normally get around a pound and a quarter from a gallon of milk. That will more than double your money if you're buying milk from the store at $2.00/gallon in the Portland area.

Regarding locavores as elitists - explain to me how supporting local business is elitist....


[ Parent ]
Yeah... (4.00 / 2)
So what must have happened is that somebody f'ed up big time, and it's up to us to make sure that that mistake doesn't end up screwing everybody here who appreciates and supports locally produced artisan foods.

"The essence of the independent mind lies not in what it thinks, but in how it thinks." - Christopher Hitchens

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Well, I'm wondering if (4.00 / 3)
whoever was making that cheese in their home, if the contamination didn't come after the cheese was made.

Which is why ODA et al require processed foods be made in an inspected facility. Which also wreeks havoc with farms like Ayers Creek farm making things like Firkeh, which is parched in the field, not a building/facility and therefore they can't get approval to make it, cause there just AIN'T no building....

Food safety legislation is a double edged sword. Sometimes I lean more in the direction of Joel Salatin (the farm/producer should shoulder the burden and take the risk - we do anyway) and sometimes I lean more toward the regulators (If we let just anyone make food and sell it to the public without inspection and licensing, tests, etc. everyone would get sick).  

Regarding locavores as elitists - explain to me how supporting local business is elitist....


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You are a wonderful and gifted young lady (0.00 / 0)
Dear Jill

I have three grown daughters.

Traci is a succesful business agent for the fashion industry. She works in San Francisco.

Jessie is a succesful restaurant manager in L.A.

Shauna will soon be recieving her degree in veternarian medicine.

Each of these young ladies achieved their goals due to the fact that both their mother and I believed and still believe in them entirely.

Why I am sharing this with you is this;

You have a wonderful mind but a loud mouth. Somewhere along the line, your devotion to what you are truly good at, which is acurately documenting state and federal regulation has been squandered on the local mentality of those who do not in any manner whatsoever want you to grow into the professional woman you have the potential of becoming.

I'm a tough guy Jill. I'm a decorated U.S. Navy veteran and a master builder.

Beyond this I am as well, a respected contributor to the growth of our nation's collective economic future.

My resume includes work with:

former Senator Gary Hart and former Governor Dick Lamb of Colorado

former Speaker of the Michigan House of Representatives Paul Hillegonds

former Ambassador to Italy Peter Sechia

former Reserve Board Chairman Alan Greenspan

and former governor of the Commonwealth of Virginia, Jim Gilmore.

My work with Mr. Gilmore is documented in the Library of Congress under "Year 2000 Advisory Commission on Electronic Commerce".

I'm sharing this with you because you are being presented with an ultimatum by Mark McAfee.

As it appears to me that Mark has sensed the same thing that I have sensed about you and what we have sensed is that you are very intellegent but hopelessly impetuious, calm down young lady and discipline yourself to become the regional organic farming advocate that is your role to embrace.

I believe in you Jill, and in doing so I urge you to consult with grown ups. As I have been associated with your blog for just a short while, within that short period of time, I have sensed that your two best friends and supporters are Jay and Joanne Rigutto. As Jay strikes me as well grounded, Joanne is even more so.

Having said this, please note that I have removed my essays from your blog.  


WTF? (4.00 / 2)
I'm sharing this with you because you are being presented with an ultimatum by Mark McAfee.

I just checked both versions of The Bible on my bookshelf - McAfee is neither a notable Old Testament prophet nor a New Testament apostle. How does it happen that his opprobrium determines your views of Ms. Richardson?

Associating with the likes of Gary Hart and Alan Greenspan does not enhance your credibility. Nevertheless, I thought you had potential. What is it about the AlterNet article or anything else written by Ms. Richardson that makes her seem "hopelessly impetu[]ous"? Don't go away mad, stick around and defend your bullshit.


[ Parent ]
Apparently... (4.00 / 2)
This is an under-the-radar troll which I missed, and I'll apologize for once promoting a piece of his to the front page here.

Although it's kinda funny that I strike this asswipe as "well-grounded".  Lol...

I believe in you Jill, and in doing so I urge you to consult with grown ups. As I have been associated with your blog for just a short while, within that short period of time, I have sensed that your two best friends and supporters are Jay and Joanne Rigutto. As Jay strikes me as well grounded, Joanne is even more so.

He's the first person who's ever considered me the least bit sane, so that says quite a bit about him right there...

:)

M.Patrick - don't you ever take my name into your mouth as supporting one of your fantastic theories about slandering Jill.

"The essence of the independent mind lies not in what it thinks, but in how it thinks." - Christopher Hitchens


[ Parent ]
And having noted... (4.00 / 1)
your idiotic response here, I'm sorry to have once promoted one of your essays to the front page myself.

Care to back up any of this shit here, or you just gonna tuck tail and run like a coward?

I'm sharing this with you because you are being presented with an ultimatum by Mark McAfee.

I'm sharing this with you because you are being presented with an ultimatum by me.

Bring the debate if you want it, but something tells me you can't handle it.

I think you "have a loud mouth" here on this issue, dude.  Wanna stick around and talk about it?

"The essence of the independent mind lies not in what it thinks, but in how it thinks." - Christopher Hitchens


[ Parent ]
You promoted it (4.00 / 1)
because you have the key, but it was my idea.

Mea culpa.


[ Parent ]
Mea culpa, indeed... (4.00 / 1)
Your response on that piece was exactly why I promoted it.  So we both know so...

:)

Apologies to Jill, and I'm not even gonna ban this dick (although I certainly could).

I'm really waiting for this guy to respond to us, although I'm pretty sure he doesn't have the backbone to do so...

"The essence of the independent mind lies not in what it thinks, but in how it thinks." - Christopher Hitchens


[ Parent ]
Fwiw... (4.00 / 2)
My resume includes work with:

  • Former Woodbridge Mayor and New Jersey Governor Jim McGreevey

  • Former US Senator and current New Jersey Governor Jon Corzine

  • Former Perth Amboy Mayor and New Jersey State Assemblyman Joe Vas

  • New Jersey State Senator Steve Wisniewski

  • Former NJ US Congressman and current NJ US Senator Bob Menendez

  • Former Investment Banker and NJ-07 Congressional Candidate Steve Brozak

  • Former Mayor and two-time NJ-07 Congressional Candidate Linda Stender

  • Former City Councilman and Somerset County Freeholder Candidate Nathan Rudy

  • Current Woodbridge Town Councilman James Major

Along with roughly two or three dozen other folks I worked with back in New Jersey, and while we're at it?  Here's a few more folks I've worked for over the past year -

  • United States Senator Jeff Merkley (D-OR)

  • Portland Mayor Sam Adams

  • Oregon State Senator Diane Rosenbaum

  • Oregon State Representative Jules Kopel Bailey

I must ask, your "resume" presents any influence here because???

Calm down and discipline yourself, little man.  Maybe you need to make a bit of "touch" with the grown-ups here yourself, fella...

"The essence of the independent mind lies not in what it thinks, but in how it thinks." - Christopher Hitchens


[ Parent ]
Dear Jay, (4.00 / 1)
you keep this up, Marshal Dillon will hustle you off straight to the hoosegow. Whatever a hoosegow is.

[ Parent ]
I'll take that chance, heh... (4.00 / 1)
It's always fun though, to watch certain types try to pull the "I've worked in politics" card on us here, especially considering my history on same from my days in New Jersey (of all places) dating back, in some cases, to when I was 16 years old...

Fwiw, the "I've worked in politics!" thing is something I don't ever let fly, from folks who want to use their own experiences against us.  

Well, so have I.  And you. don't. want. this.

;-P

"The essence of the independent mind lies not in what it thinks, but in how it thinks." - Christopher Hitchens


[ Parent ]
My oh my (4.00 / 2)
I had no idea I went foraging with such a celebrity.

I wish I knew half what the flock of them know
Of where all the berries and other things grow,
Cranberries in bogs and raspberries on top
Of the boulder-strewn mountain, and when they will crop.
--"Blueberries" by Robert Frost


[ Parent ]
This is a common reaction to Jill (4.00 / 1)
from many people who have been involved in Ag policies for many years.

One associate who met her at a conference in CA stated "She's very bright, very naive and prone to emotional outburst"

I have to agree, but reminded my associate that we were much the same way at her age.

Jill has a promising future, she will learn from this experience.

As my daddy used to say; you ain't making a difference if someone is not threatening to sue you.


[ Parent ]
Do whatever you wish (4.00 / 3)
Jay and Joanne are wonderful, nice, intelligent people but I've met them each only once, on a brief trip to Portland. I can't say that we'd call one another "best friends." I appreciate their work and I like to have a diversity in points of view represented on this site - the more, the better.

As for the McAfee stuff, I have checked around and what I wrote was true. I checked it before writing it but I checked it again. In the wake of that article, I've also received emails asking me to NOT print a retraction and confirming that what I wrote was true. But if you don't wish to blog here any longer, go ahead. It's up to you.

"I can understand someone from Iowa promoting corn and soy, but we are not feeding the world, we are feeding animals and soft drink companies." - Jim Goodman


[ Parent ]
In Support of what Jill just wrote I take her at her word nt (4.00 / 3)


Regarding locavores as elitists - explain to me how supporting local business is elitist....

[ Parent ]
am I missing something?? (4.00 / 3)
great article...

We should be fighting with our bought off politicians to stop dicking around. We have serious food safety issues/environmental and fighting amongst ourselves wastes our energy. We need studies not anecdotal information about how food and toxins affect our health.

Here's a fascinating article by an MD about autism and toxins.
http://tinyurl.com/nnwul6



I think your best be would be to give Mark McAfee a call (4.00 / 1)
print a retraction and apology above the fold in your article regarding any false information that was in the article.

You made a mistake, one that could hurt his business, but still a mistake. Mistakes happen, I can't imagine you were trying to slight him.

In my opinion, whether or not a person makes mistakes is not what hurts them, but rather in how a person deals with those mistakes. Be honest and transparent about it.

Regarding locavores as elitists - explain to me how supporting local business is elitist....


I'm not retracting or calling (4.00 / 2)
I'm not printing a retraction because I'm pretty sure I didn't make a mistake. I think the facts in my article are right. Notice how he says he doesn't sell bottled milk from other dairies? I think that much is correct. The bottled milk he sells is all his own. But he sells other products like cream, butter, and colostrum. It was my understanding that some of that is what he - either currently or in the past - has outsourced.

As for whether I call him, I'm not calling someone who might scream at me while I have laryngitis. That's a bad idea.

"I can understand someone from Iowa promoting corn and soy, but we are not feeding the world, we are feeding animals and soft drink companies." - Jim Goodman


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Quibble (0.00 / 0)
He wrote that he doesn't bottle milk from other dairies. He didn't say he doesn't sell it.

[ Parent ]
Do you have evidence of this that will stand up in court? (4.00 / 1)
From your article -
and he outsources some of his production as his demand outstrips his supply. However, that means that he does not have direct control over all of the dairy products sold under his label, and it also means that his customers have relatively little information about where their raw dairy products come from.

If you were taken to court you could cite the dairies that he is outsourcing products from? And that he's outsourcing right now? If so then I think you're right and shouldn't have to worry, except that if he does file against you you'll still have to go to court to defend yourself.

I'm pretty sure I didn't make a mistake

Being pretty sure isn't good enough.

Mark McAfee -

Also...Organic Pastures Dairy has never ever bottled one ounce of another dairies raw milk...not one drop. This is a blantant lie and an untruth spoken to try and hurt OPDC and misslead our consumers.

You didn't say specifically that he bottles other producers milk in your article, but when a dairy outsources or is accused of outsourcing, many people may assume that the milk is being delivered to his farm and bottled by him. Now, if you're saying that he's outsourcing and labeling product under his brand that was produced and bottled by another source, that might even be worse. Maybe not though, I don't know exactly how he markets in California.

The bottled milk he sells is all his own. But he sells other products like cream, butter, and colostrum. It was my understanding that some of that is what he - either currently or in the past - has outsourced.

Again, do you have absolute proof (i.e. farms that will say that yes they sell to OPDC and that those products are marketed under the OPDC brand)?

I didn't find anything on OPDC's website that stated that they only sell milk and dairy products produced by their own cows, processed by their own plant, etc. So maybe the point's moot.

Still and all, did you call, email, or otherwise contact OPDC staff or Mark McAfee when you were researching your article? I don't know, I had assumed you would have, but according to the comment from Mark you hadn't.

Regarding locavores as elitists - explain to me how supporting local business is elitist....


[ Parent ]
BTW I'm not in any way trying to call into question your credibility (4.00 / 2)
I trust what you say, both here on the blog and in any other venues, such as your book, the Alternet article, etc. I was just asking.

Regarding locavores as elitists - explain to me how supporting local business is elitist....

[ Parent ]
i thought it was funny McAfee (0.00 / 0)
claims Jill's piece is full of political crap but then he went on and on about autistic kids and milk - like I doubt he can find any credible scientifically peer reviewed large body of evidence to support his political crap.  

OMG (4.00 / 4)
please don't overreact to this guy.
keep your passion. keep your big mouth.
for the life of me, having read the piece on alternet, i can't figure out what he finds so offensive. and you have a pretty wide latitude as far as the law is concerned, so it's extremely unlikely that he could actually do anything about all this.
the one piece of advice that i can offer is to be as honest as possible, always. we bloggers all make mistakes, overlook facts and have our words get twisted by others. none of this matters as long as you're honest and transparent. the mass media can't or won't do that.  that's what can make us better and can pave the way for bloggers to have a seat at the table and lead the way into the future of the media in the coming century.
feel better!

Thanks (4.00 / 2)
you have nothing to worry about.

"I can understand someone from Iowa promoting corn and soy, but we are not feeding the world, we are feeding animals and soft drink companies." - Jim Goodman

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