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The investment of a lifetime - $0 down and thousands in return!

by: rossl

Thu Apr 09, 2009 at 12:38:03 PM PDT


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(All good suggestions in this piece...and it doesn't cost a dime! - promoted by Asinus Asinum Fricat)

I've got an investment opportunity for you.  It doesn't involve a Nigerian prince, a billionaire investor, or any kind of mortgages.  It is not the kind of thing that will cause another financial crisis - in fact, it could help solve multiple crises that we as a nation are facing.

Whether you've been laid off or you're doing fine and just care about the environment, I've got some answers for your problems.  In this diary, I'll try to compile a list of things you can do to save money and conserve our resources without spending any money.  If you have any good ideas in the comments, I'll be sure to update my diary as they come - this is a collaborative effort because this community knows more than any individual.

So join me below the fold to find out how you can save money and save the environment!

rossl :: The investment of a lifetime - $0 down and thousands in return!
 isn't in any order, but the first few I listed may be the ones that will have the biggest impact.

Personally, in the past year I have helped my family save about $900 on our electric bills and a bit on our water bills (although we don't have natural gas so our savings might be on the high end and we did get a new, more efficient TV and washing machine).  Other than the new appliances, we haven't spent any money on it - and we were going to buy those anyway, so saving on our utility bills was just a collateral benefit.

I'll try to keep these easy and simple.  If I'm not clear or make a mistake or you just have a question, go ahead and say so in the comments.  And if you have another suggestion I'll add it to the list.

Here's the list (that you will hopefully help me constantly update):

Turn your heat down and your A/C up
This is the single biggest step my family has taken to save energy.  We used to keep our heat at about 69 or 70 during the winter, but now we usually keep it at 66.  It's kind of cold, but if we put another layer of clothes on, it's fine.  Our air conditioning doesn't use as much electricity, but it's still a big part of our utility bills in the summer - so we keep that a few degrees hotter than we used to.

Turn off lights and electronics when you're not using them
This is not as simple as it sounds.  For example, computers frequently stay on all night - you should make sure to either shut yours off when not using it, or just set it to turn off automatically when it's not in use.  You can also set it to go into "hibernate" mode, which is essentially turning off, but uses slightly more power and saves whatever you were doing on the computer before it turned off.

Another example is that with cable boxes, sometimes a remote will be pointed in the wrong direction or something like that and the TV will shut off but the box won't or vice versa.  So after you turn off your set, just make sure that everything is off.

Stop vampire power
"Vampire power" is another name for the way that electronics use power even when they're supposedly off.  Most electronics don't ever actually turn completely off - they just go into "standby" mode or they still use some electricity when off.  This can really add up to a lot of electricity wasted, and money wasted, over a long time.

The solution for this that costs no money is just unplugging any electronics when you're not using them, and this goes hand-in-hand with the last suggestion.  You could get a power strip (or even a smart power strip, like one I got last week) but that would require some mulah to be invested.

Go to the library
Before you go to Barnes and Noble, before you go to Blockbuster, just go to your local library.  If they're any good they'll have just as many books and nearly as many movies as either of those stores, but they'll cost $0 if you have a library card.  Plus, you'll be saving resources by not buying these things new and making sure that they are shared once you don't need them anymore.  And you'll be lessening your contribution to sprawl and waste by not supporting soulless big box stores. (h/t to uc booker)

Don't be afraid of hand me downs
This may sound stupidly obvious to some of you, but there are people out there who are just not willing to wear clothes that someone else has already worn.  To that I say - get over your prejudices and preconceived notions of what is acceptable!  If we're going to battle consumerism and save ourselves some cash in the process, we're going to have to suck it up and wear some inherited (vintage???) clothes.  I'm wearing my older brother's shirt as I write this.  I know that's not an option for most of you, but it can be for your kids, and you always have neighbors or close friends to ask if you need some new clothes.

Join Freecycle
Freecycle is one of the greatest ideas I have come across in my environmental expeditions across the interwebs.  It is a worldwide network of people (over 6.5 million people total) who email each other to tell each other if they have things they are giving away or things they want.

Basically, this is how it works:  You join the Yahoo group of the nearest Freecycle group(s).  They send you emails (or one email a day or you just check the Yahoo group, depending on what you want) if anyone has posted anything they have offered or would like.  If you have anything to give away or want, you just email the group.  Then if you see something you want (or someone sees something they want from you, or someone has something to offer you) it is just set up through an email or call between you and that other person.  Here's a video to help explain it:  http://www.freecycle.org/thefr...

This is a great thing.  It keeps stuff out of the landfill, it helps to build a community a bit, and it keeps people from buying new junk.  Personally, I've joined three networks near me totaling about 5,000 people.  I have never gotten anything from Freecycle, but just this week I cleaned out my garage and gave away part of a desk, a wine rack, and a couple of miscellaneous garage items.  I probably cut the amount of stuff getting thrown out from that garage by a third.

Forage for your food
Of course you're not going to get all of your food by just going out into the wilderness (or simply your backyard or a park) and searching for it, but it's fun and it could be a good way to spend time, especially if you've suddenly found yourself with a lot of time on your hands.  Not to mention, it will help a little bit to feed you!  Wide eyed lib has some great, detailed diaries about looking for your own food that will be very helpful to anyone who wants to do so:

Free Food 1
Free Food 2
Free Food 3

Marthature offers a warning to any burgeoning foragers to be careful and know what you're doing:

I can not remember how many people I've told to avoid the poison oak, avoid touching this or that fungus or mushroom, don't try to eat that it is poisonous hemlock, etc.  Those little wild strawberries are not edible, but another kind is.

And remember, there's a difference between just picking some dandelion leaves from your backyard and going into the wilderness and hunting for mushrooms or anything like that!  Know what you're doing before you do it.

Something else for you amateur foragers to consider:  do not steal other peoples' food from their gardens and make sure not to damage sensitive habitats! (h/t to Bluehawk)

See if you can get there without a car
If you can get somewhere without a car, do it.  If you have a bike, that could be your best option - it is, after all, the most efficient mode of transportation ever devised.  If not, just walk.  It's good for you, you save on gas money and wear-and-tear, and it's good for the environment.

If you can't ditch the car, carpool
If someone who lives near you is going to the same place, or just in the same direction, get in the car with them!  If it's a regularly made trip, you can take turns driving.  This also saves on gas money, prevents congestion on the roads, and prevents wear-and-tear on your cars.  Plus, you might get to make some new friends in the process.

Eat less meat
Meat is expensive.  It is expensive in terms of price and in terms of an environmental toll.  The worst industrial-style meat, grown in huge factories where animals are so confined they can't even turn around and more than half of the pigs slaughtered have pneumonia, is awful.  The feed is generally corn that is grown with a lot of oil-based pesticides and fertilizers which deplete the soil and have caused dead zones to be created in the ocean.  And that is most of the meat made in this country - everything from any fast food chain, almost anything from a grocery chain.

But don't despair.  Just eat less meat.  Beef is the worst because it takes the most resources to grow and cow farts give off the most climate change-causing methane.  Personally, I've gone from eating it a few times a week to eating it once or twice a month, and all of the beef I eat is from a farm down the road.  Pig is pretty bad as well - any kind of animal is "bad," because it requires more food to grow it than it produces in the end.

Now, meat isn't all bad.  There are some very good farms out there, but they are rare.  And with them, it's expensive so it's a treat that should not be taken for granted.  If you eat less meat, you'll be healthier, your wallet will be fatter, and the planet will be grateful.

Shift your load
Don't get the wrong idea, this tip is all about electricity usage.  Dailykos user BobTrips has the great idea of changing when you use the most electricity in order to save money and indirectly conserve fuel.  He explains it (better than I could):

You might want to include something about load shifting.  

While it's not "overall" conservation, load shifting can reduce our peak power needs which means that we need to build less production capacity and need to burn less natural gas in peaker plants...

Off peak can be significantly less expensive than peak hour power.  

During peak hours we often have to resort to very expensive ways to generate the power we need, typically natural gas burned to run turbines in what  are called "peaker" plants.  The plants are not expensive to build, but the fuel to run them is and is getting more so.

Additionally the wind blows harder at night than during the day in some sites.  That means that as we build more wind farms to meet our higher daytime (peek) needs we create even more off-peak power.

If you don't understand, the diary which we were commenting on (by Stranded Wind) is a great explanation of the basics of peak electricity and base load and all of that fun stuff that will help you understand it.

Actually acting on this would mean doing things like waiting to run the dishwasher until before you go to sleep or waiting to charge your phone until you go to sleep, for instance.

Wait until you have a full load
Now, I'm talking about a different kind of load (still nothing dirty!), a much simpler one.  I'm suggesting that you wait until your dishwasher and washing machine are full until you run them.  This saves water and energy by getting as much done at once as possible.

Ditch the dryer
Unless you live in northern Yukon, there are times of the year when the weather is above freezing and you can put up a clothes line outside.  A dryer uses a huge amount of electricity or natural gas, so this simple step can save you a lot of money and help the environment a lot.  Of course, for some this might take the initial investment of buying some line, but if you just have a rope or wire lying around the house, you can use that.

A CNN story talks about how taking this step made a bigger difference than getting solar panels for one family:

The biggest lifestyle change is as low-tech as the solar panels are high-tech -- the family uses a clothesline to dry its laundry.

"It's OK just to simply hang your lines ... and not use your dryer," says Redmond, who cut his electric bill by 15 to 20 percent by ditching the dryer. "That to me would be the very first thing anybody should do in terms of conserving electricity for their home."

Grow your own food
Usually growing your own food takes at least a bit of an initial investment, but there are ways to do it for free.  One way to do it is to take seeds from food you would have bought after you eat them, and plant the seeds.  Mother Earth News has this great article on how to get a fruit tree out of some everyday fruit:

Most fruit trees are best grown from grafted trees that cost $25 to $35 each. But with peaches, nectarines and apricots, you can cut your cost to zero by growing trees from seeds.

Save water and energy in the shower
There are various ways to do this.  You can just take shorter showers, which is probably the most effective thing to do.  You can also take cooler showers, which takes less hot water.  You can limit your shower to just showering - shaving or brushing your teeth or doing anything like that in the shower is a huge waste of water.

Don't buy bottled water
Inspired by Asinus Asinum Fricat, I'm adding this one to the list.  I've given up bottled water and I think everyone should.  It's a waste - if you filled a bottle up about a quarter of the way, that's how much oil it takes to make and transport it.  And you can just get it from the tap!  Not to mention, it can cost upwards of four dollars a gallon (more than milk or gas!) when it probably costs far less than a cent a gallon out of the sink.

Shut off your computer monitor
From wide eyed lib on La Vida Locavore:

I also have a tip to add to your list. If you are going to be away from your computer for more than a minute, turn off the monitor. The monitor draws the majority of the energy used to run your computer, and (unlike using the sleep function) there's no waiting for your computer to wake back up, just turn the monitor back on. I use these basic rules:

1. Getting up for anything that might take more than 5 minutes, turn off monitor.

2. Leaving computer for an hour, put it to sleep.

3. Leaving computer for 4 hours or more, shut it down.  

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Thanks for the shout out (4.00 / 6)
You could link to the first 2 diaries (and my profile) here on la vida rather than on dkos. I'll publish the third here shortly as well. And most of the caveats others mentioned are covered in the first diary. The last thing I want is for people to trash the environment.  :)

And if anyone would like confirmation of the identify of anything they've foraged, you can drop me an email (addie is in my profile) or post to one of the foraging threads with your digital photo(s). I plan to do one a week from now until late November. Though I can't guarantee I'll be able to ID everything, I'll certainly try.

I also have a tip to add to your list. If you are going to be away from your computer for more than a minute, turn off the monitor. The monitor draws the majority of the energy used to run your computer, and (unlike using the sleep function) there's no waiting for your computer to wake back up, just turn the monitor back on. I use these basic rules:

1. Getting up for anything that might take more than 5 minutes, turn off monitor.

2. Leaving computer for an hour, put it to sleep.

3. Leaving computer for 4 hours or more, shut it down.

I'd also like to see a more fleshed out discussion of phantom power. I've researched this enough to know that not everything draws phantom power, but I've never been able to get a clear idea of where the dividing line is. I know that chargers and anything with a transformer (i.e., if the plug itself is a box or there's a box of some kind along the cord, that's probably a transformer) draw power all the time, and I believe that toasters don't. Can someone clarify this for me?  Thanks!

I wish I knew half what the flock of them know
Of where all the berries and other things grow,
Cranberries in bogs and raspberries on top
Of the boulder-strewn mountain, and when they will crop.
--"Blueberries" by Robert Frost


A word about clothes lines (4.00 / 7)
they aren't allowed everywhere. {rolls eyes} so if they aren't allowed where you live, you may want to see if there's a group in your area fighting this ridiculous rule and join them . . . .  

another word on clotheslines (4.00 / 4)
sometimes you can sneak in a clothesline. by using a retractable line & putting it up in an unobtrusive position.

also, they make clothes drying racks which work especially well in winter.... which also adds humidity to the dry heated air which makes the air feel warmer

recycled clothes allow you to get nice things more often.
goodwill & other local recycle centers charge much much less than retail. if you are a careful shopper you can have many new outfits on a meager clothing budget! & be sure to turn your clothes back in so someone else can use them.

freecycle

This is a great thing.  It keeps stuff out of the landfill, it helps to build a community a bit, and it keeps people from buying new junk....

not only that..it helps cut down on YOUR clutter while people who DO want & can use that stuff have it....for FREE!

Turn your heat down and your A/C up
not only that... but set a day to turn on the A/C or the heater for the season. here (in SC)we turn on the A/C July 4th (well, sometimes the 3rd if we're having tons of company & i have to cook) & we turn on the heater Nov.1.
yes, there are often a few uncomfortable days. but it really makes me appreciate the 'conditioned air' that much more.

not on your list & i'm not sure this really fits here but.... when i am ordering online (garden seed!) i always choose the US Postal Service. this is one of the few programs that actually works & the routes are pretty much set... the gas will be used anyway .... whereas UPS & Fedex only go to your house if you have a pkg...EXTRA gas is used.
it's not a very big thing, but if everyone returned to using USPS we'd save a bunch of fuel/energy.

come firefly-dreaming with me....


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I've been devising alternative plans (4.00 / 6)
as I'm moving to a no clothes line place. Fortunately, I'll be on a secluded lot with only one full time "neighbor". By looking at pics and memory from being there, I'm pretty sure I can get one up that won't get me in trouble. I have to laugh, I thought my bigger problem would be animal limits! Luckily, I'm only over the limit on cats (1 too many), but they are indoor so it's a non-issue.

On deliveries. That would be situational. Where I live, my UPS/Fed Ex guys drive by my house twice a day. I'm on the mainline. I order bulk staples and get a better rate through them than USPS and they have better tracking ;) Also, I have the added benefit of having the same guys working my route for years. They know me well as I work at home and receive a lot of packages. They also know to stop when I'm in the park with my dog if I just have a letter package, lol!~

My addition for going cheaper, get a "soda maker" Here's one example:

http://www.sodaclub.com/

I love mine. When I gave up all processed, I didn't drink much sode, but every now and again wanted carbonated. Mine came with all these syrups, which I tossed, but the "machine" it's self is great! I can make my sparking waters when I want them without leaving the house and flavor them at whim. Making gingerale is great during allergy season :)

Oh and FREECYCLE ROCKS!!! I got an industrial sewing machine on Freecycle!!!! I'll be putting up my extra kitchen stuff on Freecycle soon. I'm waiting to see if the church we give our extra CSA distribution to needs it or one of their members does. What's not need by them will be listed. It's really easy to spring clean and post on Freecycle. It actually makes it easy because you know your stuff has a place to go and they come and get it :)


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It would be interesting to learn (4.00 / 4)
how carbonated drinks came to be such an overwhelmingly big deal.

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It would (4.00 / 6)
When I bought my "machine", my mom said something about "the old" days. Like I said, I never drank a lot of soda, but I do crave it (carbonation) on occasion. For me it's the "sparkle" I think. Sometimes a bit of bubbles just suit me. For the masses, I suspect it's the ingredients these days. Sugar/HFCS/caffine addiction. Or better, industrial food borne addiction. It's by design. Both mental and physical. $$$$$$

Gotta tell ya, being able to carbonate a bottle of water, pour it over ice and then add some fresh fruit/juice rocks. Don't even have to leave my home :) When the weather is messing with my head and I need gingerale, I can make it. Again, don't even have to leave my home.


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and another word on clotheslines (4.00 / 5)
line drying is a great idea, but sometimes you live too near an industrial zone and don't want the clothes to soak up nasty chemicals (and/or get covered with particulate gunk that settles out!) in the air.

also, sometimes you have allergies and having the clothes get covered in wind-born pollen & so forth isn't a good idea.


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Vampire power (4.00 / 6)
Many rooms have at least one outlet that is switched, they turn on and off with a switch on the wall. These are intended for use with lamps, but they are great for other things also. Microwave, coffee maker, TV...no cost, and anything that minimizes the effort is good.

No car: I haven't owned a car for years. I got rid of mine even before I retired. I live in an urban environment which has bus lines and a light rail, but even if you don't have that, you can buy many taxi rides for the price of annual insurance, periodic tire replacement, scheduled and unscheduled maintenance. After a short while using cabs, the dispatchers and drivers know you, and waits are short. Even families who undeniably need at least one vehicle often can comfortably get rid of one in a multi-car family.


More about no car... (4.00 / 6)
If you want to go for a weekend excursion or a Sunday drive around Flathead Lake or visit the nearest national park for two weeks, rental vehicles are great. You can choose an RV or a subcompact, whatever you need for the occasion, and you probably are money ahead compared to the cost of owning.

Foraging (4.00 / 6)
I do urban hiking. State parks, county parks, urban hiking trails, you name it. I have located many sources of wild raspberries (love love love wild raspberries), mulberries, wild black cherries, and blackberries. I question whether mulberries are worth the effort, but the other berries are great. My cousin in SE Portland, Oregon says she knows of edible chestnut trees. I only know of horse chestnuts here in Baltimore, but we might have edible ones if only I paid better attention.

Mushrooms. I wish I knew more about fungi. Many times after a few wet days, I pass a passel of mushrooms because I don't know if they're safe to eat. My grandmother in Kalispell, Montana always picked the mushrooms that grew in her yard, because (somehow) she knew they were OK, and they were welcome additions to the menu. Sometimes I'm tempted to just harvest the ones I see and find out if they're OK according to how sick I get, but I am a coward. I need a mushroom seminar.


Wild strawberries (4.00 / 6)
Maarthature's comment about wild strawberries disconcerts me. So far, I've eaten every ripe wild strawberry I've come across, with no ill effect.

Guess I need to do some research.


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re: mushrooms (3.83 / 6)
there are OLD mushroom hunters &
there are BOLD mushroom hunters
but there are no old, bold mushroom hunters!

find a class or a local with knowledge...
some of that stuff WILL kill you.

come firefly-dreaming with me....


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That's great! n/t (4.00 / 6)


Vote for yourself at www.ni4d.us!

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I'm positive if you poke around you can find (4.00 / 6)
a mycology club near you. Most of those clubs are delighted to help newcomers, and the talks/walks are often free. Try yahoo groups, too. I'm a member of Northeastern Mushrooms, and the folks there are pros and happy to help newcomers identify mushrooms provided you're willing to upload photos.

For what it's worth, morels are pretty much the easiest mushroom to identify. A decent mushroom book alone will probably give you enough info to identify a morel. (So will google, for that matter.) Just make sure you understand how to tell the difference between a real morel and its few lookalikes.

P.S. Some mulberry trees are better than others. Keep trying--mulberries can be fantastic. Once you find a yummy tree, that same tree will produce yummy berries every year. Also, never pick any berries after a rain (it washes out the flavor somehow).

I wish I knew half what the flock of them know
Of where all the berries and other things grow,
Cranberries in bogs and raspberries on top
Of the boulder-strewn mountain, and when they will crop.
--"Blueberries" by Robert Frost


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Thanks, that looks oriented directly to me. (4.00 / 5)
American Mushrooms might be another good site.

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If you know what you're doing here... (4.00 / 2)
My cousin in SE Portland, Oregon says she knows of edible chestnut trees.

If you know what you're doing here (which I don't yet, lol...), you can actually walk anywhere around here in SE Portland for most of the year and fill yourself just by picking random things off bushes and trees!  I envy those who can...

:)

I will learn soon, though.

Even have a great local website here that helps Portland foragers -  Urban Edibles.

Coming soon to a Philadelphia near you!


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Darn. (4.00 / 2)
I wish Baltimore had a site like that.

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When I went to Italy (0.00 / 0)
we stayed in a small town for a week, I think called Ciavari, although that's probably spelled wrong.  Instead of kind of ugly ginkgo trees, the streets were lined with orange trees.  I just thought it was a brilliant idea!  

Vote for yourself at www.ni4d.us!

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we used to keep our thermostat at 66 (4.00 / 6)
in the winter, but this winter we turned it down to between 59 and 62. I wore sweaters and slippers, and it was fine. We saved a noticeable amount of money.

We put our AC on 78 in the summer, or sometimes on 76 if we are feeling really extravagant...


My dad and I always fight (4.00 / 5)
He wants to keep it at 70 and I would keep it where you have it ideally, but we've compromised at 66.  We do fight about it at least once a week though...

Vote for yourself at www.ni4d.us!

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we dry all our clothes indoors (4.00 / 6)
on drying racks. Only cloth diapers, sheets and towels go in the dryer. Dryers use a lot of energy and can be hard on clothes. Also, there are nasty chemicals in those softener/anti-static dryer sheets.

I used to use a detergent (4.00 / 5)
that didn't need dryer sheets if you used it.  It was called Dropps.

Vote for yourself at www.ni4d.us!

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It started as a way to cut down on our garbage (4.00 / 6)
and it's turned out to be quite a money saver as well.  We stopped using as many paper and plastic products as possible.  It's become a challenge to me to see how many I can do without.  

Starting with cloth napkins, mostly bought for a few pennies a piece at garage sales.  I even take one to work with my lunch.  And its easy to just throw them in with your regular laundry because one or two don't fill up your load.

Cut up worn out clothes for rags and you won't need that paper towel any more.  Old silk pajamas make great polishing cloths!

Use empty pasta sauce jars, margarine tubs, coffee tins, etc. for food storage and you won't need zip top bags or disposable food containers any more.  (dry erase pens are great for marking on tubs so you know what's in them and they are great for freezing)  I even use empty jelly jars and such for drinking glasses rather than buying fancy glasses at the store - the water or pop tastes the same either way.

Empty milk jugs are great for storing fresh squeezed juices.

Reuse the plastic bags from bread, bagels etc. for sandwich lunches, left over home made breads, muffins, biscuits, etc.

It's gotten to the point where, if I can't reuse (or easily recycle) the packaging, I avoid the product.  


I replaced all my kitchen plastic with glass (4.00 / 5)
bought much of it used. I don't buy packaged food any more, so that has really cut back on my trash output. I also use old clothes for cleaning since pretty much all I wear is cotton {grin} I also cut them up to make and stuff pet beds.

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what does this mean (4.00 / 5)
I don't buy packaged food any more, so that has really cut back on my trash output.

How does this work?  Everything I buy comes in some sort of package...?

(Sorry if I'm dense, i'm on the downside of a nasty cold and there's lots that doesn't make sense to me right now...)


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I quit processed/branded/labeled food :) (4.00 / 5)
Mostly in protest during the pet food recall because I couldn't boycott pet foods (I raw/home cook feed mine). It's pretty easy and I also grew up in a home that didn't use much. I do buy  some single ingredient items in a package (sugar, flour [now available through my CSA! no more package!], cooking ingredients like oil, etc), but for the most part, no package for the majority. When I buy liquor for cooking, the bottle does play in as I want to be able to use it again for extracts, oils and vinegars that I make. So I guess I do get some packaging, but buying all fresh from csa/farmers markets/direct from farmer/rancher cuts out all the store packaging that we are used to day to day. Boxes, plastic containers, jars, those styro things etc. Also, bulk buying helps. Break it out into glass containers etc.  I did one of those carbon footprint tests and I came in well below the ideal target per person by quite a bit without even trying :)

So you're not dense :) I do get packaging, but so little I feel like I don't get any. I really didn't think about it when I went on my little snit 2 yrs ago. I just noticed it when my trash was mostly food scraps not safe for the dog or something I generated (paper towel, etc). This habit of mine is going to come in handy when I move to the mountains and have to deal with carting my own trash, lol!~ Right now it's nice since I'm not hauling much down from a 4th floor walkup :)


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There are so many things that come in unnecessary packaging (4.00 / 5)
Like bar soap. Why on earth does bar soap need to come in a box? I buy soaps now that don't come in boxes. (And they support small business owners as well.)

I also quit buying cereal that comes in a box with a bag inside. I now buy cereal that comes in only a bag.

In cases were I'm buying a new product, after the actual ingredients, I look at the amount of packaging that competitive products have and buy the one with the least.

I wish I knew half what the flock of them know
Of where all the berries and other things grow,
Cranberries in bogs and raspberries on top
Of the boulder-strewn mountain, and when they will crop.
--"Blueberries" by Robert Frost


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my peeve is the bread wrapped in plastic (4.00 / 4)
and then in a bag, put in a bag by a clerk.

I like the French method of simply carrying it home under your arm.


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Another idea? (4.00 / 5)
Skimp on the hygiene. OK, I realize that can be BAD in some cases - but to the extent that you CAN do it, it's OK. I've been showering every other day instead of every day and trying to hold off on doing the laundry too. It won't kill me to wear the same shirt two days in a row.

"I can understand someone from Iowa promoting corn and soy, but we are not feeding the world, we are feeding animals and soft drink companies." - Jim Goodman

I totally agree (4.00 / 3)
I'll go two weeks without washing my jeans, as long as they don't smell and I don't spill anything on them.  And especially now that I've shaved my head there's no reason to shower a lot of days.

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now, Ross; going two weeks without washing your jeans is not a simple matter. For one thing, a key factor is how much time you spend in your clothes. Another, of course, is how cold it is around you.

I'd generally recommend washing your jeans about every three days if you spend a fair amount of time in them under temperate conditions and are not engaging in much physical endeavor. More time, more heat, more physical endeavor; every day may not be too frequent for washing the pants.

You gotta get creative about this, Ross. When I wash my jeans, I start out sopping them in the leftover dishwater. I use greywater friendly soap (Oasis Biocompatible) and the sink drains into a bucket so by the time I'm done with the dishes and the jeans, I have some really good plant water.

Next, I use Arm & Hammer laundry detergent (OK with septic systems) for a more substantial wash/soak for the jeans, and of course my Thorlo socks (you know about Thorlo socks?) that I would never be without, as they are so incredibly wonderful and stalwart, even though they cost $15 a pair.

That round goes into the bucket again, and that's good for flushing the toilet.

Next: rinse water. I would not recommend dousing your plants with primary Arm & Hammer laundry soap mixture, but the rinse water is safer...and then, there's always the compost/mulch pile! It's amazing how fast you can get a pile to cook when you keep it nice and moist. And under a tarp.

Well, you live where it rains, I know. But these are important things to know about.

End result here in the desert, though - almost no water into the leach field, and lots of water and nutrients into the garden.

And....that's good!!!

"If God were to appear to starving people, he would not dare to appear in any other form than food." - Mahatma Gandhi


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You're a better man than I, Gunga Din n/t (4.00 / 2)


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yeah, especially since (4.00 / 1)
I'm a woman.

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"If God were to appear to starving people, he would not dare to appear in any other form than food." - Mahatma Gandhi


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